new to me magnestan SMGa
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| Posted on February 25, 2017 at 16:15:18 | ||
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 hi all, new to the forum and have been slowly trying to build up a home system. i just picked up a pair of magnestan SMGa speakers (serial # 099704-1/2) after having researched on this forum and then bid on them at my local thrift shop. they appear to be a manageable project if in fact i need to spend time on them. they have the beige muslin cover on them and i wanted to put together a plan of attack before i start messing with them. they /feel/ like they don't have any de-lamination of the coils after having felt them from the back through the fabric and they /appear/ to have very straight lines when looking through them. i'm wondering if i can lean on some folks for advice on how to proceed. for instance, is first order of business to unscrew the sides, remove the staples and the muslin cover and inspect the coils and color of the glue? can i play them with no cover if they look good? can i play them with a cheap ass sony STR K4800P receiver (!)? right now i have a pair of advent heritage and a pair of baby advents that i bought cheap and had re-coned. basically i thought to start testing them out a bit but also to start physically cleaning them up. THANKS for any advice. i'm not super technical and not real audiophile but i do like my music. and - er - that title should read "new to me magnepan"...!
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 26, 2017 at 06:29:08 | |
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 26, 2017 at 06:29:31 | |
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 26, 2017 at 06:30:03 | |
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 26, 2017 at 11:58:45 | |
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thanks satie!
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 27, 2017 at 17:32:09 | |
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LOL, I had already checked these very same specs earlier, before my previous posting to you. It is too long a story to tell all right now but I am sure that you will get to understand it all in a short time. Just stay tuned to us maniacs around here and we'll make you a dizzy kind of Einstein. To really start you into some of the madness, perhaps Satie can tell more of it later. For now, let me just tell you about some of the "signs" to look for. Notice how the 4800 is rated at 60 watts/channel RMS and later claimed to handle even 100 watts/channel, with the list of channels? (All, while at 6 ohms impedance, which is often -- though not always -- used to over-represent power ratings.) Well, first, they mention "RMS" only in the first rating, for just two channels driven at the same time. Hey! That's fine. Among us ladies, RMS is called the REAL watts. Sony folks say "you drive this sucker on just 2 channels and we can deliver 60 real watts per channel...if the speakers stay at a nominal 6 ohms. (Most speakers are really 8 ohms, so less than 60 watts. Ironically, you "could" get more than 60 watts if your speakers are 4 ohms, like most Maggies...but...Sorry, not here. That's because of "hidden limitations". See, they masterfully refrain from saying RMS (and definitely not "simultaneously") for the rest of the multi-channel sets, shown after the stereo figures. All they admit is to the large 10% distortion, more acceptable in low-end car stereos and in portables. This means that they are using a very liberal type of "watts" rating (there are several), clearly not RMS. And as for the 100 watts each channel while played simultaneously, which is left to wishful thinking...HaHa! Omission caps the marketing subterfuge. (To be fair, few multi-channel devices deliver full rated RMS power continuously into all channels for any long period at the same time. But several do get there simultaneously for a short periods.) So, at this point you start to smell the rats. Even without looking at the electrical power consumption ratings (an easy next step) it is clear that this unit has a very wimpy power supply. A very telling figure is the amps rating for electrical power. In addition, there's no mention of alternate impedances, much less of low ones. Take a look at the bottom of this capture from the Denon 2106 specs. It is not that they encourage the 2 ohms figure but mentioning it provides reassurances that it has enough current headroom. And more current is like having a larger pipe to supply more water when needed. (Ever seen those large caps inside amps? Those large cans are exactly like large water reservoirs. The larger the better to store current reserves.)  At most, Sony's receiver is rated at 1.4 amps max (165watts/115v). The wimpiest Denon I ever had was this AVR 2106 back in 2008, rated at 5.5A. And it still struggled with some of my...abuses. Imagine: MMG's tweeter directly (line-level at 2.6ohms), woofer segment at 4ohms, plus 3 surround speakers at 8 ohms ea. (And it is still driving speakers somewhere in the northeast:) These can now be found for about $100 on eBay at times. Far better yet is the AVR-3805, easily found for circa $200. This little tank of mine only died when someone accidentally poured a drink on it while playing. Those 7 amps on tap do sustain a huge soundstage when in Pure Direct stereo mode! Its overall SQ is commendable, I even keep a 4306 as pinch hitter so my separates can take a break..and it can even be a kick-asser. But the Denons are not the only ones, just the ones I had a chance to abuse :) I am sure that you can find other candidates if you ask.
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| RE: new to me magnestan SMGa, posted on February 27, 2017 at 23:15:27 | |
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Location: texas Joined: January 6, 2014 |
thanks a bunch.
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