Daughter wants...

They're unreliable junk?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:01:11
ghost of olddude55 Audiophile Posts: 36466 Joined: July 14, 2017	Is that a good enough argument? She could get a Toyota for the same money. The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

That one already fell on deaf ears, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:02:51
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	And the contra-argument was "But I love it!"

And with the warranty expired, it's going to get expensive. (nt), posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:07:12
reelsmith. Audiophile Posts: 13580 Location: CT Joined: June 7, 2005 Contributor Since: January 19, 2010	. reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

RE: That one already fell on deaf ears, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:10:21
tomservo Manufacturer Posts: 9044 Joined: July 4, 2002	That's a tough one to overcome. My daughter loved the little modern VW bug and ended up hating it.

I am still fighting. She should be forgiven... she is stupid, but she is only..., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:14:38
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	...50 year old. I gave her this: https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/luxury/10-year/worst but she hates the Lexus style... I do too, but there are other brands down there.

Still working that angle :) (nt), posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:19:55
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	.

Isn't that a British company? Nt, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:24:37
Geoffkait Manufacturer Posts: 684 Joined: July 2, 2024	Nt

Nope. Indian., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:34:54
ghost of olddude55 Audiophile Posts: 36466 Joined: July 14, 2017	Tata owns Jaguar-Land Rover Group. The vehicle might still be built in England but who knows these days. The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

Can't for the life of me figure out what Lexus' styling department is striving for., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:36:23
ghost of olddude55 Audiophile Posts: 36466 Joined: July 14, 2017	Lexus cars and SUVs have been so freaking ugly for so many years. The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

RE: Daughter wants..., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:37:35

double28
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Unfortunately she will need to learn this the hard way. Land Rovers are beautiful, comfortable, and oh so posh, but they are British. Under warranty chances are high that they spend a good deal of time at the dealer and the issues are typically listed as "software issues." If she buys one out of warranty the same "software issues" will be prevalent but no loaner to drive and a bill will follow. The Sirens of Land Rover will call your daughter to the shore only to by crashed upon the rocks, but riding around in one is a cool comfortable look and that is what sells them.

RE: Daughter wants..., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:39:57
Inmate51 Industry Professional Posts: 3216 Location: Dallas, TX Joined: August 12, 2022	I don't know and don't care what that vehicle is. If she's out of the nest, and on her own to buy it, it's her decision, not yours. ********* We are inclusive and diverse, but dissent will not be tolerated.

I remember my friend driving the old Rover , posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:44:31

Wojciech
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He had a PR company and had to project a "success story" even thought the company was barely making profit and he was spending all the money on clothes and pretentious lifestyle he could not afford. I asked him about that old Rover he was driving suggesting that if he skips the purchase of a few trendy suits he could easily buy a better car. He said that the Rover is one of those brands which no matter old or new preserve the status and image and nobody will question the choice.
I would let her have it and not scold her if the car will end up being a money pit. They all are.

This coming from American really rubs it in :)) , posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:52:01
Wojciech Audiophile Posts: 5304 Joined: June 23, 2009	Considering the "timeless beauty" of US designs hahaha

What size engine?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:52:50
jedrider Audiophile Posts: 15733 Location: No. California Joined: December 26, 2003	We have (had? as don't recall seeing it lately) one in our neighborhood. A bit ugly if you ask me, but it has that look of intrigue that I could see being popular.

They wanted to be recognizable on the road, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:55:13
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	And they are... sure as hell.

Too late... , posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:56:35
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	She's on her way to pick it up. Will stop by us to show it.

Do you have kids?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:57:47
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	They tend to keep asking for your advice for as long as you live... Not following it... mind you... but asking... which is better than not hearing from them at all. :)

Like many expensive vehicles..., posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:58:29
grantv Manufacturer Posts: 7972 Location: B.C. Joined: January 15, 2002	1. They're more expensive used than new. 2. If you can't afford to buy new, you can't afford to buy used. Bottom line, it's her choice. Nice looking ride for sure IMO.

No idea... didn't get a chance to ask. :), posted on March 11, 2025 at 12:59:36
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	Will report after she stops by. :( I always loved the Rover style... many years ago we almost bought the 3500, it was at that time one of the prettiest cars on the road... by far.

"Nice looking ride..." It will be... for a while., posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:08:12
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	She is brutal on her cars. She drives 16,000 miles a year and doesn't think of service, likes to hit stationary objects. :)

And I'm a Rambler fan., posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:18:17
ghost of olddude55 Audiophile Posts: 36466 Joined: July 14, 2017	And I'm a Rambler fan: Mopar's plucked chickens, too: Both of these cars are works of art compared to recent Lexus designs. And don't even get me started on Mitsubishi. The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

RE: And I'm a Rambler fan., posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:32:41

tomservo
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I had a 65 Rambler ambassador, it might have started life as a good car but when i got it, it was nearly worn out and then was at just short of 80k miles.
At one point I replaced the rockers and shaft when it started jingling, the new set started to make noise too. I ended up putting a T at the oil pressure sensor and a small valve and ran a line to the top of the valve cover, through a small hole i drilled in the shaft and cover so the oil could lube the rocker shaft and rockers. Apparently an oil passage in the block was blocked.
This car had two engine mounts and a "torque tube" but that was a different repair.

It's (presumably) her money, posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:36:37
E-Stat Audiophile Posts: 40447 Joined: May 12, 2000 Contributor Since: April 5, 2002	some lasting lessons can be expensive. :)

RE: Do you have kids?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:37:27
tomservo Manufacturer Posts: 9044 Joined: July 4, 2002	Perhaps a constant. I have my oldest (the one who had the VW bug) programming the cnc router and doing most of my cad so i am still in charge....part of the time haha.

Six cylinder or 8?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 13:43:41

ghost of olddude55
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Nash/Rambler/AMC, pretty interesting. My dad refused to own one back in the day because of the resale value. Said you bought a Rambler you were married to it.
We did test drive a '63 Classic wagon, 6-cylinder engine, 3-on-the-tree. It needed a clutch. This was in 1968.
It's probably good that the old man passed on it. The six Rambler used up until 1965 was a Nash engine, an OHV head on the old flat head block. It was a good running engine but not very durable. The head bolts needed to be retorqued every 12k miles, it was scheduled maintenance. There were cooling system issues and the head didn't seal very well. It was a much better engine in the smaller American (which was a reskinned Nash Rambler by the way).
That torque tube rear end would have made clutch replacement an expensive proposition. Dad was a DIY'er but I think pulling the rear axle would have made him think twice.
My wife and I went to DC for the weekend once, and when we came home, this was sitting in an empty lot at the end of our street:

That's a "for sale" sign in the window. The car was dragged into the yard, all four wheels were locked up and so was the engine.
Guy who lived next door to us bought it and was trying to free the engine when he noticed that the entire body structure was starting to collapse with the car on jack stands.
That was the end of his project.

The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

Those Lexus front grills, posted on March 11, 2025 at 14:27:34
padreken Audiophile Posts: 8540 Location: San Diego Joined: November 28, 2000	I recoil from that like Dracula from the cross. Hideous.

For a while, they looked like Cylons., posted on March 11, 2025 at 15:11:09
ghost of olddude55 Audiophile Posts: 36466 Joined: July 14, 2017	And not from the decent Edward James Olmos Battlestar Galactica either. It was this guy. From the cheesy-ass Lorne Green version: The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

RE: Do you have kids?, posted on March 11, 2025 at 15:24:42
Inmate51 Industry Professional Posts: 3216 Location: Dallas, TX Joined: August 12, 2022	Doesn't matter. If she's on her own, it's her decision. Wait, did I already say that? ********* We are inclusive and diverse, but dissent will not be tolerated.

Arguing with yourself? Sure looks that way. :) nt, posted on March 11, 2025 at 15:31:40
Victor Khomenko Manufacturer Posts: 57251 Joined: April 5, 2000	.

Well they're not all ugly, posted on March 11, 2025 at 15:41:40
Barry Audiophile Posts: 1047 Location: PA Joined: November 24, 1999 Contributor Since: January 18, 2009	This one's nice....

Wait, did I already say that? ..., posted on March 11, 2025 at 16:17:12
reelsmith. Audiophile Posts: 13580 Location: CT Joined: June 7, 2005 Contributor Since: January 19, 2010	Yes, you did. Sounded foolish both times. Dean. reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

Im sure they studied US market preferences carefully before making design decisions , posted on March 11, 2025 at 18:05:35
Wojciech Audiophile Posts: 5304 Joined: June 23, 2009	Since I have no interest in this car segment I had to look up Lexus current offering and first thought I had was " there must be some 3D printing shop which could make a suitable cover for part of that hideous whale like front grille" hahaha

Oh, you mean like Versace? Nt, posted on March 12, 2025 at 07:32:20
Geoffkait Manufacturer Posts: 684 Joined: July 2, 2024	Nt

The few Rovers I've seen around here had nice looking interiors..., posted on March 12, 2025 at 07:50:38

peppy m.
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I wonder if this is what she likes about them ? Interiors can mean a lot to (some) women...

You might be able to change her mind about buying an unreliable car like the Rover by finding her a better car with an equally nice looking interior ?

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