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SCOTUS has spoken

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Posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:12:16
Victor Khomenko
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Biggest decision since the Heller.


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    RE: SCOTUS has spoken, posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:13:08
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    About damn time!

     

    The text is a good read, posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:19:20
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    SADS and SCDS rules..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:35:59
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    Bet he didn't write it..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:43:20
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    Likely written by one of his clerks.



     

    Like WOW... , posted on June 23, 2022 at 08:48:03
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  • How convenient.., posted on June 23, 2022 at 11:27:32
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    We know how this works - those who they don't want to have guns get a mental health tag or a criminal conviction on them. I'm betting this court would stand behind the States right to deny debtors or welfare recipient's right to carry.

    If some are people so dangerous they can't be trusted in possession of a 6 shooter why would they be allowed on the streets? Ask the States while we continue to allow massive stock piles of semi-automatic weapons being dumped onto the streets. Laugh as if someone who wants to shoot up his enemies or go out making a big statement is going to give a damn if he/she is a prohibited possessor. Yes and we will continue to hold a random 1 of millions accountable for the carnage. It's the epitome of the kind of lack of accountability our leadership and public officials have for public safety. To me it looks like our elected officials and their nominees are fond of masturbating in front of mirrors - it's always about them.

    Ultimately for the court the truth here is isn't about keeping the public safe or preserving our gun rights. Of course they will be appearing in venues where folks can't be armed while those they favor will be allowed to trample the gun rights of those who don't suck up to them. The public in general will be forced to carry the burden and the carnage required to subsidize the continued support of those who they are milking based on their facilitation of mass shootings and arming the criminal element. Imagine how law enforcement budgets skyrocket as those kinds of crimes escalate. It's a trifecta of windfall.

     

    His clerks change every year, posted on June 23, 2022 at 11:58:12
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    We all live in Texas now. Its only the beginning. nt, posted on June 23, 2022 at 12:50:14
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    not the end of the beginning..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 14:34:17
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    But the beginning of the end.

     

    RE: SCOTUS has spoken, posted on June 23, 2022 at 14:40:09
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    From Britannica, history of the Second Amendment:

    "The right to "keep and bear Arms" was thus included as a means to accomplish the objective of a "well regulated Militia"—to provide for the defense of the nation, to provide a well-trained and disciplined force to check federal tyranny, and to bring constitutional balance by distributing the power of the sword equally among the people, the states, and the federal government."

    I bet many of the framers would be sorry they included a Second Amendment if they could see how it has been distorted by numbskulls like Clarence Thomas.
    I am certain that Madison would be.

     

    Not so much Federal tyranny..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 14:48:17
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    ...despite what some of the founders might have claimed.
    Shay's Rebellion scared the hell out of the founders. Under the Articles of Confederation, the central government had no powers to raise a militia. Massachusetts had to raise its own, and pay private armies to put down the rebellion.
    Shay's Rebellion, by the way, was the one thing the founders feared the most. Ordinary people getting fucked over by the rich and powerful, and demanding a say in government. Counter-revolution.
    The "well-ordered militia" was supposed to protect government from us.
    As far as gun "rights" go, the damage started with Heller. The majority in that case broke out the Little Orphan Annie decoder rings and found the phrase "self defense" hidden somewhere in the Second Amendment.



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    Amen...nt, posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:07:25
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    I am surprised they actually heard the case, posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:14:02
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    The cowards usually won't touch those constitutional rights cases.

    Glad they had enough spine to dismiss the ideas of "second class citizens".

    The 9th Circus just shit its drawers with this decision.

    "... The 2nd amendment's text does not distinguish between gun rights in the home and gun rights in public places, Thomas observed. Indeed, he suggested, the Second Amendment's reference to the right to "bear" arms most naturally refers to the right to carry a gun outside the home. ..."


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    RE: Not so much Federal tyranny..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:15:15
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    The way I understand it the right to self defense was there before the constitution.
    The part I like is "Shall Not Be Infringed".

    The constitution was never meant to give us rights.
    It's meant to protect them.

     

    RE: Not so much Federal tyranny..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:18:18
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    It was meant to limit the goobermit's overreach.
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    You must have a very short memory, posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:22:18
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    The majority in that case broke out the Little Orphan Annie decoder rings and found the phrase "self defense" hidden somewhere in the Second Amendment.

    We discussed that fallacy earlier this month.

    Note there are three supporting links in that post. Don't overlook them like Uncle Mike does. ;)

     

    It certainly was, posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:25:06
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    and I 'splained all of that to him earlier this month.

    Note my response to his post...

     

    That's your opinion., posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:45:42
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    Nowhere in the Second Amendment does it say there's a right to own a gun for self defense.
    Heller established the right and reversed 200 years of jurisprudence. That decision was based on an interpretation. An opinion by so-called "originalists" who ordinarily treat the constitution like it was a shopping list.



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    Like E-stat--that's your opinion., posted on June 23, 2022 at 15:47:19
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    If James Madison believed that every American had the right to own a gun for self-defense, he certainly said nothing of the sort when he wrote the Second Amendment.




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    Nifty self-flagellation meme!... N/T, posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:07:51
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    RE: Not so much Federal tyranny..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:12:02
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    Self-defense as part of a militia, yes. Not individuals packing in a bar or an outdoor concert or any of the many places guns are found in this deranged country. That is an aberration and part of the hog-stomping, money grubbing capitalist empire we have created that will one day destroy us.

     

    Despite today's decision..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:13:15
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    ...the states and the Federal government still have the constitutional authority to ban certain types of guns deemed too dangerous to be in the hands of the public.




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    RE: I am surprised they actually heard the case, posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:19:15
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    9th circuit is 7 western states, Alaska and Hawaii.

    They've been fairly weird a lot of the time and I think are the Most Reversed of the circuit courts.....

    California continues as one of the most difficult states in which to get a legal concealed weapon permit.
    They may still be 'show need' which means politicians and big-wheels can get guns because of some 'threat', while most of the rest of us, and those who may live in a high crime area, can NOT.
    a few states are 'no issue'....pretty much no matter what or why.
    while
    A few states appear to be unrestricted. No felony? Certain age? Permit issued.

    You can look up a map of what states honor what OTHER states permits.
    Too much is never enough

     

    More than...-, posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:22:09
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    just *my* opinion. ;)

    Ignore historical context if you will. At least we know you are (now) aware of the precedent.

     

    If the "original" was perfect how come its been amended 27 times? E-Stat is a reactionary. nt, posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:28:17
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    The problem is you're operating in the realm of opinion., posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:37:46
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    Not facts. You can't ring up James Madison and ask him what to do.
    And you can post opinions supporting yours until we run out of bandwidth. They're still just opinions.
    For 200 years, every supreme court up until the Roberts court ruled that there was no right to own a gun. You think Heller corrected a wrong, I think it was disastrously wrong. End of story.



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    The bear needs arms to do that. N/T, posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:45:21
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    The bear needs arms to do that. N/T
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    Constitutional scholars all over the landscape were appalled by Heller., posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:49:00
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    The only difference between those guys and the five Federalist Society goons that made up the majority is that they weren't nominated to the court.
    If Broward County in Florida hadn't fucked up its paper ballots, there would be no right to own a gun for self defense. That's how flimsy this whole thing is.
    And the people gloating over today's decision should stop and consider what's about to happen with Roe. Trusting the supreme court to protect rights is a fool's game, especially when that right was created by the court in the first place.



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    RE: Despite today's decision..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 16:49:38
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    A California court just ruled that statement was unconstitutional as long as they are in common use.
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    Ignore all historical references as you will! -nt, posted on June 23, 2022 at 17:00:50
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    Whoever posted that concept?, posted on June 23, 2022 at 17:05:38
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    Certainly not moi!

    The Bill of Rights was an amendment. Many have followed. The list was not complete in the 18th century.

    None, however, have reversed previously established rights.

    Put down the doobie, dude!

     

    I'll just stay on my side of the border ghost..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 18:53:52
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    He has the blood of children on his hands..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 20:12:33
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    and has been called out for it.

    I can see why he's upset.

    The truth hurts.



     

    RE: He has the blood of children on his hands..., posted on June 23, 2022 at 20:45:05
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    And Biden has the blood of children on his hands ... and shower parties with his daughter (read: not talking about bridal showers).
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    I was referring to "originalists" on the SC. Its f'ing 2022. nt, posted on June 23, 2022 at 21:25:35
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    Your side is about to be 'loved tenderly.', posted on June 23, 2022 at 23:13:02
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    RE: Whoever posted that concept?, posted on June 23, 2022 at 23:33:47
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    That's not QUITE 100% accurate.

    12th amendment made the presidential election a 2-fer by taking away the right of electors to essentially vote for the VP......who was originally the 2nd vote getter in this process.

    Also? direct election of Senators curbed the right of the various state legislatures to elect Senators from the various states. I can see why this happened.

    And by my understanding of the Constitutional Convention, the Constitution was NOT have been ratified by the necessary number of states WITHOUT the 10 amendments COLLECTIVELY known as the Bill Of Rights.

    And the OTHER amendement which took away a right.....was later dumped, and that would be the 18th amendment later deleted by the 21st, about 13 or so years later.....give or take.


    I think the most important take-away is the idea of unintended consequences. No telling what the downstream effects of laws can or will be.
    Too much is never enough

     

    Wasn't necessary, posted on June 24, 2022 at 06:28:28
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    then or now. Similarly, there wasn't any need to enumerate which religions or what kinds of speech were covered by the First Amendment.

    The Right of The People to bear arms has multiple contexts.

    Ignore the obvious however you wish!

     

    Exactly what are you referring to? nt, posted on June 24, 2022 at 06:57:14
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    Nothing..., posted on June 24, 2022 at 07:06:56
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    Just a childish one-up to try to throw the ball back and say "na-na, na-na-na.
    Neither of the "blood on hands" hold any merit IMO.

     

    Clueless ??? Why am I not surprised ???, posted on June 24, 2022 at 08:41:35
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    How fast you forget about Biden bombing civilian aid worker's children and then calling them terrorists only to be outted as a lie 48 hours later.

    And the shower thing should be obvious by his daughter's own written admissions.

    Since you are in absolute denial, you will dismiss reality in 30 seconds.
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    So nothing to back up whatever the fuck the shower thing is about. Just your usual bluster. nt, posted on June 24, 2022 at 09:37:07
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    If you don't know about the shower thing., posted on June 24, 2022 at 09:42:10
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    Did Biden do something before or after he ate babies for lunch? nt, posted on June 24, 2022 at 11:01:06
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    RE: Not so much Federal tyranny..., posted on June 24, 2022 at 11:28:20
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    Would it have occurred to the founding fathers that it could be possible or desirable to ban guns? of course farmers had to have them to protect their livestock. And a lot of people were farmers. It's completely impractical and silly outside of cities.

     

    RE: So nothing to back up whatever the fuck the shower thing is about. Just your usual bluster. nt, posted on June 24, 2022 at 20:32:45
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    Had to look that one up myself. This is what I found.

    From the Daily Mail article "EXCLUSIVE: Florida woman who found Ashley Biden's diary in 'halfway house' is under FBI investigation for SELLING the journal in which president's daughter recalled 'showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate)' and details of her drug and sex addiction" (link below):


    "A Florida woman who found Ashley Biden's private diary is being investigated by the FBI - not for stealing the journal but for selling it, DailyMail.com has learned.

    The diary's explosive contents include Ashley's speculation that showering with her father, then-Senator Joe Biden, as a young girl may have contributed to her sex addiction.

    'I remember having sex with friends @ a young age; showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate),' she wrote in a January 2019 entry

    After a stint in rehab, the president's daughter, now 41, briefly lived in a Palm Beach home often used by recovering addicts, and left her diary there when she moved back to Philadelphia in June, 2020.

    Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.
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    The president's daughter wrote that she was 'hyper-sexualized [at] a young age', details her chronic drug abuse, affairs outside her marriage, how her finances were 'down to the wire' and how she made Joe cry with worry over her ahead of a Democratic primary debate.
    ..."

     

    RE: Did Biden do something before or after he ate babies for lunch? nt, posted on June 24, 2022 at 21:11:33
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    RE: SCOTUS has spoken, posted on June 25, 2022 at 05:42:11
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    Absolutely! Mike.

     

    RE: Constitutional scholars all over the landscape were appalled by Heller., posted on June 25, 2022 at 12:29:39
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    Doesn't the decidions put the ball back in the STATES court?
    Too much is never enough

     

    RE: So nothing to back up whatever the fuck the shower thing is about. Just your usual bluster. nt, posted on June 26, 2022 at 04:53:08
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    From Joes own daughters diary. Anyone who doesn't think that is creepy shit, must be creepy themselves. Let's face it, Joe is attracted to young children.

    Here is Jeff Sessions slapping Joes hand away as he moves in on a young girl.

     

    RE: We all live in Texas now. Its only the beginning. nt, posted on June 26, 2022 at 19:32:31
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    I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.......I wouldn't even drive thru Texas.....

    But after the Scotus decision? STATES now have the say. AS it should be......
    Too much is never enough

     

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