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Posted on May 12, 2022 at 16:05:25
pictureguy
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 I see some talk about oil for your car. But little about oil filters. I'm not ready to go thru 'Bob'.
I've just standardized on the Mobil 1 filter.....or If I could find them stocked, one of the Microglass types.

Any word from those who've gone thru this?
Too much is never enough

 

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If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 13, 2022 at 19:27:41
JDK
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 Then a better/finer/larger volume filter would be beneficial.
Synthetic oils will last more or less forever inside a modern engine. Only contamination and maybe running out of additives will force oil changes.
So a better filter with a finer rating, and a bigger particle holding capacity will allow the oil to stay cleaner for much longer.
With modern synthetic oils, viscosity does not vary from cold to hot as much as mineral oils does, so a larger/finer filter may well be possible without any reduction in flow rate or drop in oil pressure.

You would think that the Mobil 1 filter could be designed with this in mind....

Of you don't want to extend oil changes, just stick with a good oem filter.

The only other thing is maybe older really dirty running engines could benefit - eg air cooled engines which run at temperature extremes - Classic Porsche, VW, Fiat etc. Synthetics and better filtration can make a big difference with wear and tear on these because of their better temperature stability and improved filter technology.




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RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 13, 2022 at 20:37:04
pictureguy
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 I thought of this some time ago.......
Here are the 2 factors....

BASEPLATE SIZE. Any filter with the same baseplae SHOULD be ok.

BASEPLATE THREADS. Gotta be the right thread.

And also? Must be ROOM for it. Would not surprise me to learn that some cars are very

restricted and won't mount a larger filter....

Thanks for ReMinder!
Too much is never enough

 

RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 13, 2022 at 21:24:49
JDK
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 More about the tech inside the filter - the filter media material and its surface area - more folds and layers so that the filter can catch more particles but block up more slowly.
This is where, as a rule, you have to pay for the technology.
And as somebody else said, a heavier empty filter can be an indication of more good stuff packed inside it.



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RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 13, 2022 at 21:48:20
Inmate51
 That all makes sense from a theoretical/engineering standpoint. In practice, I've seen vehicles with 200,000 to 400,000 miles on them, just using whatever filter is at the store/shop. I think it just comes down to a person's "worry comfort level". Some people worry more than others. Personally, I've never had an issue with any oil filter, and I've owned well over a dozen cars of various brands. Worry if you like - I'm not.

 

RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 13, 2022 at 22:33:33
JDK
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 If you don't do shitty little commutes, if you service regularly, if your air filtration is good (which arguably is more important than oil filtration), yes, we've seen taxis with a million miles on an engine.

But it's always good to stretch out oil changes if possible.



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RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 14, 2022 at 00:29:39
pictureguy
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 My 2016 Mazda specifies a Ridiculous (IMO) 5000 miles between changes.
I don't see ANY problem going to 7500 with Mobil 1 OIL and FILTER.

Though I'm open to a better filter. Now? Here's where it gets weird.

NAPA filters are made by WIX, which has a good fan-base.

My Element can be had in the 'Platinum' level.....while th Mazda only in 'Gold'. One is synthetic media, the other enhanced cellulose.
But Both use the M20-1.5 thread size. One is 2.173" ID gasket, the other 2.257" ID gasket.
OD is 2.475 for the first, 2.464 for the OTHER.......
The HONDA Filter is about 1/2" taller, meaning more oil for the Mazda....if it works.
Can OD is the SAME for both of 'em......

I'd LOVE to find a database so I could do some 'matchiing' and find a duplicate filter but TALLER for the Mazda. I've had cups of coffee which hold more than that oil filter.......
Too much is never enough

 

RE: If you are a high mileage driver and if you want to extend oil change intervals, posted on May 14, 2022 at 01:17:04
JDK
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 If you are racking up decent miles, probably fine.

Years ago I had a couple of fleet lease cars where everything was payed through the lease. I just had a service booklet and tore off a docket each service.
Because I was driving a lot at that time the lease company approved me to skip every minor service. I went out to 15,000kms between services instead of 7,500. But I was driving 75,000kms a year back then, so the oil barely ever got cold ;-)





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Seriously?, posted on May 13, 2022 at 15:19:21
Inmate51
 For a consumer's vehicle?!

I can't even remember the last time I worried about my car's oil filter brand.

The last vehicle I sold was an '03 Pathfinder, which I bought new, and sold it with 340,000 miles on it.

Some of you guys worry too much.

 

RE: Seriously?, posted on May 13, 2022 at 16:54:37
pictureguy
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 That is CERTAINLY a 1%er result! Congrats!

I had an Accord with among the last of the Carborated engines.....a 1.8
I sold it at 200,000+ miles and KNOW it would have gone a lot further except for the help of Ace Abrahms who crashed it and rendered it nearly un-driveable......
Zero oil consumption and wonderful economy, overall......
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Seriously?, posted on May 13, 2022 at 21:04:34
Inmate51
 "That is CERTAINLY a 1%er result!"

My '99 Nissan Maxima is at 138,000 miles. New (8-10 years ago) valve gaskets. Radiator replaced 10-15 years ago. Alternator about 8 years ago.

Runs great, blows ice cold.

'15 Pathfinder, 75,000 miles. Runs and feels like new. Oil changes and a battery or two.

I have no idea what brand of oil filters have been put into either of them.

Car Shield can go find someone else to sponge money from.

 

Please... no one kid themselves..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 06:12:09
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 There are NO "better" filters than factory ones. I.e AC DElco for GM, Motorcraft for Ford, Mopar for Chrysler.
I am a life long engine builder and recommend whatever the factory calls for. They are usually about the same price and often lower than supposed "better" ones like Mobil 1 or others.

 

RE: Please... no one kid themselves..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:03:48
pictureguy
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 I have read lots of recs from use brand 'W' to use whatever the dealer sells......and all points in-between.

I DO have one further recommendation. TEST YOUR OIL. That will solve many of the questions raised here. And YOUR results will depend in No Small part on your usage of the vehicle and change intevals.....I'm not current but Test Kits are available. If I owned a company which relied on engines and vehicle health? You BET I'd have a regular program of oil testing....
Not all tests are created equal, and some have 'upcharge' for additional tests which can be performed.

Too much is never enough

 

Useless..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:16:18
samstone
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 "If I owned a company which relied on engines and vehicle health? You BET I'd have a regular program of oil testing...."
I have. And I wouldn't...

 

RE: Useless..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 15:19:51
pictureguy
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 I'm a data-guy.
If I could demonstrate a SAVINGS (net) by testing, it would be on the list.
If you stay ahead of oil-changes? (and other routine maintenance) you should be OK.

My brother was a long-haul trucker. He INSISTED on good maintenance. When the company he worked for game him a Dodge 250 Duely with the Cummins Diesel? Good cycle thru the shop for ALL filters, oil change and a good going over got him a few MPG to the plus....
Too much is never enough

 

When I had a Ford, I always used Motorcraft., posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:59:46
ghost of olddude55
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 Easy to find, easy part number to remember (FL-400). Always used Honda filters on my Hondas, too, because I guy I graduated high school with has a Honda repair shop and kept Honda filters in stock.
But I've used a variety of filters in the other cars, including ACDelco in the Cobalts. The only filters I've been dissatisfied with are the filters branded as Mobil One.




The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

The only filters I've been dissatisfied with are the filters branded as Mobil One., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:12:29
samstone
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 Dissatisfied how? The cost? The promise that you bought the "best"?

 

They distort., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:38:16
ghost of olddude55
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 Whenever I changed the oil and replaced the filter, the old Mobil One filter looked like the Hulk got a grip on the top and bottom of the filer and gave it a twist.
The Cobalt uses a cartridge filer, not a spin on. Looks like this:



The paper element looked like it had been twisted when I removed the old filter.
Either the car's oil pressure was distorting the filter, or (what's more likely) the filter was too long and the paper element was distorted when I torqued down the cap on the filter housing.
I've been using Wix for the last couple of years since O'Reilly's opened here and they come out looking like the did going in, except oil soaked.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: They distort., posted on May 13, 2022 at 19:22:30
pictureguy
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 My S-2000 had not BUT the Mobil1 which had ZERO issues ever.

Who makes NAPA?
Too much is never enough

 

Pretty sure Wix makes Napa., posted on May 14, 2022 at 05:20:05
ghost of olddude55
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 And Purolator makes Motorcraft.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Please... no one kid themselves..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 07:52:29
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 My mechanic uses only oem oil filters, i.e. Hondas for my Hondas.

 

RE: Please... no one kid themselves..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 06:55:19
dark_dave56
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 Please don't kid yourself... Do you honestly believe that GM, Ford, and Chrysler (whoever they are, these days) has their own plants manufacturing AC/Delco, Motorcraft, and Mopar parts--especially something like oil/air/fuel filters, fluids, shocks, or batteries? They don't even build their own transmissions anymore, much less the fluids/filters that go in them.

I have my vehicles serviced at the appropriate dealers with OEM components, but that is strictly a matter of warranty and other documentation purposes. I have no delusions that the AC/Delco oil/air/fuel filters on my truck or Suburban were made in a GM plant, or that the Dex-cruel coolant or Dex-rot tranny fluid was either. My truck is a diesel, and it is advertised (badged) as having an Allison transmission--not a GM transmission. It's not even a "secret"--it's an advertised selling-point.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

It's about the specs, not where they're made, posted on May 13, 2022 at 07:34:25
Dave_K
 If you buy the filters specified by the auto manufacturer, you can reasonably assume that the filter specifications and performance were considered in the design of the lubrication system. It's also likely that those filters were used in developing and testing the engine.

That doesn't mean they are necessarily better than what you can find on the aftermarket, but it's a safe choice.

 

Totally agreed and that was my point., posted on May 13, 2022 at 07:43:43
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 No one spent more money on research and development than the makers who tested to engines/oiling systems. They are not going to go with X if Y is clearly better. Good enough is good enough. I say this as an engine builder of 34 years who has never earned a W-2 doing anything else.
I just don't want people to be mis-led by slick advertising that their vehicles will last longer or perform better by spending 50-100% more on things like filters.

 

RE: Totally agreed and that was my point., posted on May 13, 2022 at 13:01:04
double28
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 Sounds similar to Audio Cables!!!

 

+ wherever we are. +1, +2? :) OEM works., posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:55:02
grantv
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 I got your original intent and completely agree. If... doing my own oil changes (really don't anymore) I mostly buy OEM filters for the same reason.
Auto makers are squeezing far more HP/CI than used to be the case. Oiling systems, filters and all are even more critical. Why bother taking a chance.

 

You mis-interpreted my words, posted on May 13, 2022 at 07:26:56
samstone
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 I did not state anything about the car makers manufacturing their own filters. I stated that these are the ones they recommend.
Does anyone really believe that they would deliberately recommend an inferior filter and then warranty engines/transmissions/etc.?
And do not even get me started on the K&N snake oil air filters that do more harm than good...

 

Perhaps a little, but not totally..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:07:24
dark_dave56
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 ...various manufacturers "recommend" certain "brands" of products--usually their own branded products, but may have "endorsement" deals too. If your owner's manual recommends Michelin tires, Gates belts, Bosch spark plugs, or Mobil 1 oil, it's because they got paid to.

In reality, it's all about meeting the manufacturer's specifications. Attempting to deviate/modify, then you had better just know what you are doing. And some brands (like K&N that you mentioned) can be more hype than anything else--but you get a sticker to put in your window.

I've got a small collection of vehicles--5 of them considered to be "exotics" by many. Part of their value (and reliability) are the folders full of every dealer-documented service from Day 1. They (and my dog) have more detailed "medical histories" than I do.

That's not to say that back when my cousin and I were running cars on the track, we complied--it was "anything goes". Need one more run for the night, and you know the bearings are shot at this point?--I've put 90-120W gear lube in the oil to make that run--we already knew we had to tear it down the next day anyways--only now we had a check to help pay for it.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

Fair enough and agreed... mostly, posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:50:33
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 Except the spark plug thing. Stick with ONLY what the manufacturer recommends. This is assuming that the ignition system has not been modified via MSD or some other stuff for racing. I have seen over the years GM and Chrysler vehicles run into many problems (flooding, no start, misfires) due to using Bosch plugs because Auto-Zone sold them claiming how much better they are than Delco or Champion.
And in my racing days I would have done the same thing with the oil. If its blown run it till it goes up in flames, lol.

 

the one reason to use the manufacturers filter, posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:46:41
Story
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 they have a contract with someone to make the filter for them TO THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. Then if it's a good auto company they will have a legal contract for this and the auto company will have someone test them in a laboratory or they will farm it out to someone who tests them.

One deviation and it's law suit time and they know this. One of the few times the legal system really works.

The only problem with this is finding a place that sells them at a reasonable cost, the dealer will soak you. This is probably why so many buy Fram at Walmart.



 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 13, 2022 at 05:43:38
fredtr
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 I watched a youTube clip of a guy that dissected popular brand oil filters. It is probably still up. Wix looked good, Fram filters were not well made. I has been a while, don't remember much about the other filters.

 

manufacturers change things all too often these days and , posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:34:43
Story
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 how many times have yesterday's darling becomes today's money-making suckers buy. I'm not wasting my time or money on buying 4 different brands and taking them apart to find out every year.

In audio how many times have you seen a highly rated company go down the drain because someone sold it to a money firm



 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 12, 2022 at 19:01:04
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 Mobil never made a filter! Best filters are from Baldwin, Wix, Fram, and Purolater. By the way in tests done by lubrication engineers, Mobil One never got better than third place. Still Mobil will give you one serious sweet heart deal to claim to use their oil
Gary

 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:35:44
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 Yes......Mbbil1 is a spec' filter. Just like NAPA which is also well regarded....
Too much is never enough

 

A guy I worked with..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 18:48:38
Victor Khomenko
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 ...was surprised when someone told him he was supposed to change oil in his Honda.

By that time the car had over 100K miles on it.

So don't worry... be happy... an oil filter is an oil filter.


 

RE: A guy I worked with..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 23:32:51
ChesshireCat
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 I new a guy that drove a Cadillac about 90 miles each way to an from work.
He never changed oil, but the filter every thousand miles and just topped the oil level off. His reasoning was that oil actually doesn't wear out, but the additives do. At the time he had 165K on the engine, and it ran like a top. Myself; I wouldn't have the balls to do it

Gary

 

I learned that "trick" from a cab-driver/fleet mechanic..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 06:00:49
dark_dave56
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 ...change the filter religiously, and the oil only every so often (like second/third/fourth interval). And cabs take a lot of abuse--mostly in-city driving, and hours spent idling just to keep the heat/AC running while parked outside of the airport, convention center or hotels.

I still don't know why auto manufacturers don't go with the "standards" used by heavy equipment manufacturers--hours, rather than miles. In heavy urban traffic, an hour of operation may be <2 miles. On the highway, an hour of operation may be 80+ miles. There's a huge difference in hours of operation between 3K miles at 2-5 mph, or 3K miles at 70-80 mph.

My equipment--front-end loader, Bobcat, tractors, and generator--all have hour meters upon which the maintenance schedule is based.

With more and more hybrids on the road, this is perhaps even more significant. Theoretically, with a plug-in hybrid, you could (depending on range and driving habits), drive it for days, weeks, or months without ever running the ICE engine--but the vehicle is still racking-up miles.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

Although some here poo-poo them, posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:46:49
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 I'm told by those who should know that the oil life monitors most new veh have as stock take a number of parameters into account when determining "life". These including miles, overall run time (hrs), run time while cold, run time hot, # of cold starts, # of hot starts and time since last oil change regardless of the other factors. From personal experience I've concluded the oil life monitors are pretty much on the mark and that's what I use to determine when an oil change is due. FWIW, I change @ ~ 20% mostly to avoid getting to zero when an unexpected trip is required and oil change places are closed. I've evolved to a higher life form and no longer change my own oil on autos.

 

I guess each of us has their own story, posted on May 13, 2022 at 09:32:36
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 From personal experience I've concluded the oil life monitors are pretty much on the mark and that's what I use to determine when an oil change is due.

The Honda oil monitors in my vehicles usually triggers around 8k miles. My nephew who works on Hondas all day says that has been one of the best things for their business. Over time, the oil gets acidic and damages the valves.

I now use 4-5k or a year depending upon which comes first.

 

RE: A guy I worked with..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 03:56:34
Uncle Mike
 Without confirming your test results I'd say it's all about marketing. Mobil 1 has been doing it for 40 years so they have had a long time to drill it in. Just the same as the lubricating oil companies promoted 3000 mile oil changes in the days when plain mineral oil was predominant.
In spite of all that you can't deny that just about any synthetic motor oil that meets manufacturer standards these days is heads above. I know most will cringe but if you look at studies of Walmart Supertech motor oil you'll see is is a quality lubricant.
Schaffner used to be one of the best synthetics because of the high quality base stock used but they never pursued manufacturer certification. I don't know if Red Line does either.
Amsoil I regard as smoke & mirrors because of the pyramid scheme it is.

 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:37:41
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 Purolator Pure One if you're choosing yourself. I used to be a Fram guy (for years), but they've gone to shit. My cars all get serviced and documented at the dealers (for the records), so they get what oil and filter is deemed appropriate by the manufacturer. Anything I DIY gets Purolator filters and my choice of appropriate grade synthetic oil.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:53:38
Uncle Mike
 You are out of touch. Purolator slipped years ago substituting cheaper parts and filter medium. I have to research it but I seem to recall them being outsourced and made by Champion Labs.
Fram on the other hand has come back and gotten really good if you use their premium filters like the Toughguard or Ultraguard. Their race filters are again the standard in motorsports.
I noticed recently too AC Delco is making the Ultraguard Gold again.

 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 12, 2022 at 23:56:39
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 here's food for thought:

an oil filter with the same mesh size is similar no matter the use with the exception being in pressure. In an automobile, it's not kosher to run two hundred psi oil pressure and a typical thought process is ten pounds per thousand rpm. But what I said is also a half truth! On start up an oil filter is seriously taxed (no matter the usage). If there is an air pocket in the oil line or inside the filter they often collapse internally. This is where the high pressure stuff comes into play.

Machinery often uses automotive style spin on filters for filtering lube and low pressure stuff. OEM folks pretty much use nothing but Purolator and Fram, but once in a great while you'll see a Wix. The micron rating is critical with lubrication, and the bypass (all have this) is important.

When you pull an oil filter, it should be rather heavy compared to a new one. If it's not; you have a problem. The oil lubricates first (doesn't take that much oil to do this job), but it's single biggest job is to suck the heat off the bearings. Your oil pan is just another radiator. It's next big job is to suspend the dirt and crap in the oil and take it to the oil filter. When you change oil, and the oil is clear and clean, you have junk for oil! If your filter is not heavy; you have the same issue. I helped do a study years back with most all the major brands of synthetics (there is no synthetic oil in an engine). We used several test mules to do various loads, and then studied the oil in use. After that we purposely over heated the oil. You say why over heat it? The top end of the motor will do just that. It will leave a burnt deposit behind and we studied that as well. The best was Castrol Synthetic!
Gary

 

I use a lot of Castrol Synthetic!..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 05:40:23
dark_dave56
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 ...but then I used to use a lot of Castrol "dino" oil back before synthetics hit the market in any scale. Of course, I've used a lot of Mobil 1--it was the first major-market synthetic out there.

Synthetics aren't "all-that", either. Lubricants are produced to specifications--viscosity and thermal stability being two "biggies". A highly-refined (distilled--you do realize that refineries are nothing more than huge distillation columns) "dino" oil can meet or exceed the specifications of a synthetic.

Remember ARCO Graphite? My cousin nearly destroyed an engine in a Trans Am with that stuff. It used suspended graphite in the oil to (theoretically) improve lubrication--the oil was black, straight out of the can. If you got it too hot, or didn't change it religiously, the suspending agents for the graphite "broke-down", and the graphite particulates separated out--either resulting in clogged filters, layers of sludge in valve covers, or ultimately becoming an abrasive, rather than lubricant.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: I use a lot of Castrol Synthetic!..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 15:05:43
ChesshireCat
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 Almost everybody here uses synthetic oil, and probably doesn't even know it! What you think of as synthetic oil isn't really synthetic oil, but ATF oil is.
Gary

 

ARCO Graphite. Made my Rx-7 run soooo smooooth. , posted on May 13, 2022 at 09:33:06
kff
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 That motor has a lot of seals sweeping through the chambers and the use of the graphite oil made a noticeable difference.

 

Remember using that stuff in my '74 Super Beetle., posted on May 13, 2022 at 13:58:58
ghost of olddude55
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 Don't know if it did any good. That car was pretty sketchy.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Oil Filter, posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:24:11
Uncle Mike
 Wix are good I use the XP synthetic filter medium for a little more $.
Napa filters are Wix as well just branded and packaged as NAPA,
Best place to get them is Rock Auto, here is a 5% discount code to use if you order. Code: 204483370167075590
Other ones to look for are Fram Ultra Guard, Mahle or Hastings / Baldwin. If you are doing regular 5k to 6k oil changes with synthetic oil there is no need to get exotic with oil filters. If you are doing them when the oil minder goes off, then yea, I'd consider a better filter.

 

Wix. Best on the market., posted on May 12, 2022 at 16:10:43
ghost of olddude55
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 Get them at Oh, Oh, Oh, O'Reilly's.
I used to use Mobil One filters in the Cobalts. Cartridge-type filter, lives in a little hidey-hole on the front of the engine. The Mobil One filters are always distorted when I take them out, like they were compressed. The Wix filters come out intact.
They're less expensive than Mobil One also.
If there's no O'Reilly's nearby, order them from RockAuto.



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Interesting. Back in about 86 the Wix was said to be best., posted on May 12, 2022 at 19:50:48
kff
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 I was working at a pulp mill and a rep for a company that made the filter media said that Wix specified the best media of all the companies they supplied. Making the oil filter media uses many different wood (cellulose) fibers and different species have different length and shape fibers. Determining the proper mix based on filtering performance was the goal. Wix specified the best filtering media.

I have no idea if they are still the one but maybe they are still up go making the filters right.

 

RE: Wix. Best on the market., posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:12:53
painter27
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 Have you seen the episode of "engine masters" on oil filters ?

If not google it . It was very informative.

 

Haven't seen it..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 03:19:18
ghost of olddude55
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 What's more likely is that there are two or three companies making all of the oil filters and the brand names are just marketing.



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That's true with most things--especially automotive "maintenance" products..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 06:26:51
dark_dave56
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 ...you can't possibly believe that auto manufacturers have dedicated plants making Motorcraft, AC/Delco, Mopar, Honda filters, fluids, shocks, batteries, etc. Hell, they don't even manufacture their own transmissions, suspension components, or braking systems. Sometimes they even advertise stuff like "Brembo brakes", "BBS wheels", "Recaro seats", "Koni/Fox/Bilstein shocks", or "Allison transmission" as premium components for sales/marketing purposes.

My Suburban has the optional (upgraded) Brembo brakes. My Ford GT has the BBS wheels. My truck has the Allison automatic transmission. All were considered to be "value-added" selling points. My Ford GT even has McIntosh stereo--one of only 4 factory options on those cars.

So the chances of that blue AC/Delco OEM oil filter being manufactured by GM are slim to none. The chances of it being made in the US at a UAW plant are even lower. Dex-cruel or Dex-rot fluids aren't made by GM, either.


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So the chances of that blue AC/Delco OEM oil filter being manufactured by GM are slim to none., posted on May 13, 2022 at 08:55:34
samstone
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 Actually Delco is a division of GM. The filters are testes on engines that go into GM cars from the factory. The last time I checked they were made in England and France. All are the same spec on filtering properties.

 

Who makes AC/Delco oil filters?..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 09:36:51
dark_dave56
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 "While AC Delco is GM's brand, sold to dealerships, GM doesn't actually manufacture the parts. Instead, the company purchases from various suppliers that agree to put the AC Delco name on the parts.

Mainly, Champ labs, aka Fram, make the AC Delco, K & N, Mobile 1, Royal Purple oil filters. They had a cut-up comparison of an AC Delco filter 5 years ago, and today, the AC Delco oil filter is made by Fram."

There's your answer--below is the link...


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RE: Who makes AC/Delco oil filters?..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 10:25:20
Uncle Mike






So it seems AC Delco is making the Gold filters again after about a 15 year hiatus. I got a few of these to fit my F150 3.5L Ecoboost.

 

How dare you?!?!?..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:40:44
dark_dave56
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 ...that F-150 should have NOTHING but Motorcraft parts/filters/floormats/mudflaps/whatever!

And FWIW--my buddy's F-150 Ecoboost gets worse mileage than my Silverado 2500HD diesel when being used as a real truck--towing/hauling--and I have nearly double the towing and hauling capacities. We've logged trips together.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: How dare you?!?!?..., posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:49:18
Uncle Mike
 That sucks for him.

 

Do a lot of "demanding driving" in your F-150?, posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:24:43
samstone
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 The never did stop making them. Good filters (can we say overbuilt?). Let's just say every GM engineer I encountered and the premium filters were brought up simply rolled their eyes.
This is akin to saying that "at 2000 degrees synthetic oil does not melt like conventional oil". Mr. if your engine oil even approaches 300 degrees you already have severe issues.



https://gmserviceinsights.com/ultraguard-premium-oil-filters/

 

RE: Do a lot of "demanding driving" in your F-150?, posted on May 13, 2022 at 12:47:56
Uncle Mike
 I tow an 8500# fifth wheel camper about 8000 miles /yr. Also I commute 800+ miles to Brunswick, Ga several times a year. I can do that run in 12-1/2 hours if traffic allows. It's a hard day but worth it when I get there!

 

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