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Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska

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Posted on May 11, 2022 at 20:16:14
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 I just don't get Biden. He is going to kill the country before climate change has a chance. Explain to me how this makes any sense at all. It seems every time he makes a decision he ends up kicking his own ass.

This will go over great for the Republican Party in the upcoming elections. LMAO Stuff like this can be generational. He is dragging down the whole Democrat party. Congrats to those who voted for this senile clown.

You see it, right?

Everyone is reporting it, but I linked to the CBS report for those that have a problem with any Concervative reporting.

 

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And..., posted on May 11, 2022 at 20:40:58
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It don't mean shit.

Where does oil come from?





And further, the BIG oil producers have more currently either owned or under lease than they can possibly drill on.




First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: And..., posted on May 11, 2022 at 20:43:02
jdaniel@jps.net
 They're never fed the whole story. Sad to witness.

Glad there's a few in here who know their stuff.

 

RE: Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:03:02
Inmate51
 "This will go over great for the Republican Party in the upcoming elections."

Ha! It's only May. Election "season" has just barely started. The Republicans have plenty of time to screw up their strategy - if they even have a strategy.

 

Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:20:53
Inmate51
 The point is: Why? At a time when the WORLD, not just the U.S., needs oil and gas, why would he do such a thing, while at the same time, draining down our strategic reserves? Remember that he said he'd draw down our reserves until October?

Explain that to us.

 

RE: And..., posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:42:40
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So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

RE: Of course they have a strategy , posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:45:06
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 Lie, vilify,gerrymander,repeat.


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

RE: Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:50:55
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 Ivan gave you a very reasonable explanation.Did you not comprehend it or are you just ignoring it? Oh, I almost forgot, you don't answer questions. So sorry.


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

For fun -, posted on May 11, 2022 at 21:52:07
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 I like these videos

Oil Reservers by country

 

RE: Gerrymander? Democrats split our 20k population town into FOUR different house districts, posted on May 11, 2022 at 22:15:38
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 Even with the large school district including as many residents outside the village limits, we have twice as many house districts as high schools.

The town was reliably Republican for over a century; the (not quite true) joke was the last time the town sent anybody other than a Republican to the house, they sent a Whig.

Back for a bit again. Ignore me if you like.

 

There are thousands of unused oil and gas leases out there. nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 04:22:33
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 nt


"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson

 

Gerrymandering should be strictly verboten., posted on May 12, 2022 at 04:31:36
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 No matter which party does it. The small town my wife and I used to live in was gerrymandered after the 2010 mid-terms. It was heavily Democratic at the time, some of the Democrats were added to a safe Democrat seat in order to waste those votes. The rest were parceled out to safe Republican districts where the votes wouldn't matter.
After 2010, the Republicans redrew the districts in a way that guarantees GOP control of the state legislature pretty much for good. Votes in rural counties count for more than votes in cities.
This is just another way we think we're a free country but really aren't. When politicians get to tailor their own constituencies, our elections are a fraud.
Supreme Court says it's A-OK, is getting ready to strip state courts of the power to redraw maps.




The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

You have to be willing to think beyond the next election cycle, posted on May 12, 2022 at 05:01:35
Dave_K
 This is a decision for the long term and it would have no effect on the market in the short term.

Once you start leasing the Cook inlet, it would be hard to stop. It would require building underwater pipelines and other infrastructure in the upper part of the Cook inlet, which is the most populated part of Alaska and has the most tourism. It's also a key salmon fishery. A major spill would be a total disaster there, much, much worse than the Exxon Valdez because of its location.

If the area were leased, it would be take years before it started having an effect on the oil supply, and the overall impact on supply would be so small that it wouldn't move prices. By then, the short term oil price shock we're in right now would be long gone.

I think the administration would have gone forward with the other lease in the Gulf of Mexico, but that was blocked by a judge and the clock ran out in this 5-year cycle. I expect that will come up again and will be leased.

If you think in the very short term and are so politically minded that you see everything in the context of the next election, then I understand why you think Biden is shooting himself in the foot. But I don't like voting for politicians who only care about being popular and getting elected. I want my politicians to use their time in office to make good decisions for the long term.

 

But 80% of population vote based on news snippets, posted on May 12, 2022 at 05:06:06
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 And that one is not going to help him.

For instance, ask 10 people if Biden stopped the Keystone line, and get ready for 9 answers be wrong.


 

RE: There are thousands of unused oil and gas leases out there. nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:17:22
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 Maybe because after getting the lease and doing some exploratory drilling there wasn't enough oil or gas to be productive enough to invest more money in?

 

Oh, they have a plan, posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:24:15
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 And I'm sure you will love it.

 

Another popular explanation - , posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:27:58
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 Given the generally anti-oil mood of the current administration, people are reluctant to start investing... who knows, you put millions into drilling and then Biden passes another gas... sorry, regulation.

Business climate is important, and the current one is all but friendly towards oil and gas.


 

That's not the way the American voters , posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:28:45
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 are going to see it. They will see it as a feeble old man further declaring war on our oil and gas producers when we already have the highest prices recorded in American history. I'm sure that will work out well for the Dems at the polls. TRUTH!

 

Yeah, it's not a good look nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:32:00
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 Nt

 

It like making Maxine Waters the poster child nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:35:41
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So you feel Biden is doing a good job?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:48:11
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 That's cool! But Dem polititions running for office will be avoiding Biden like the plague. Senile Joe has fallen in with the far left agenda and it's killing the Dem party. But Joe only knows what those around him tell him and put in front of him to read. If you support that, then go for it.

 

RE: Gerrymandering should be strictly verboten., posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:51:33
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 I could not agree more.

What we have nowadays is courses for horses.

 

RE: Another popular explanation - , posted on May 12, 2022 at 06:53:44
Inmate51
 When I bought Chevron stock at $82/share, I thought that maybe that was too high.

Wrong... again. Should I sell it, or keep taking in the dividend?

 

RE: Another popular explanation - , posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:01:44
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 Keep the divs.

They're probably safe for as long as you are likely to live.

I'm hanging on to my BP and XOM, but not investing any more in them.

 

....think? Truth is complex. Boring. , posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:03:03
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I'd also do away with PACs., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:15:24
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 SuperPACs, big money donations...yeah, I know, the originalists on the Supreme Court who treat the Constitution like a shopping list somehow managed to find "money equals speech" in the First Amendment.
Right now, AIPAC is running attack ads against a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the Pennsylvania 12th district--my district.
Her opponent for the nomination is a DINO, of course. Former corporate attorney, oil and gas lobbyist, etc.
The attack ads are beyond misleading, claiming the candidate voted against Biden's infrastructure plan even though she isn't in Congress. Wasn't in Congress last year either. And frankly, I would have voted against the infrastructure plan also. Too much money for new roads, not enough for public transit, not enough to fix the old roads.
Should be blatantly illegal. Should be illegal for a billionaire from California to pump enough money into an Ohio primary to decide the race, too.
And of course, I can't vote in the primary since I'm registered Green. Another way our elections are a fraud.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

To some, I suppose. : ) , posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:17:08
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Very intelligent and helpful reply.

 

You COULD buy that reasoning..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:18:49
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 and the oil industry might try to SELL you that reasoning, but that's not how they make decisions.

During the pandemic, smaller publicly traded oil companies with market caps in the billions went belly up.

Check the 5 year history on Whiting Petroleum (I used to work for one of their original founders).

They are not gonna do that again, even with oil prices through the roof.

US Presidents can not influence the price of fungible global commodities, short of starting WW-III. And the major oil companies have the big oil plays in the US sewn up. Texas, New Mexico and North Dakota together represent about 64% of total US oil production. And the big guys own and/or control nearly every square inch of it.

All of this nonsense about federal land and off shore leases is the talk of small timers. Mostly the politically aligned small producers who have few rights in the big plays so they try to convince you that if only they could drill in a national park, all of our energy problems would be over.

You're smarter than that, Vic.

At least I hope you are.






First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Presidents always get blamed for high gas prices. Comes with the turf., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:20:56
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 The American public doesn't do nuance, isn't interested in detail, and above all, refuses to accept any responsibility for anything it does. Check out the parking lot at any shopping center, you'll see why we've got high gas prices and it has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
Americans have the power to lower gas prices by using less. But conservation is un-American. Spending way too much money on way more car than you need, and driving everywhere, even down to the mailbox on the corner. That's the ticket.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

When that's all ya got..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:21:15
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 guess ya gotta run with it.


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: I'd also do away with PACs., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:28:12
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 Citizens United is absolutely THE worst SCOTUS decision of my lifetime.

Unlimited, dark-money to buy whatever cause suits your fancy is anti-democratic. No two ways about it.

It is interesting that the constitutional fundamentalists on the court found the words campaign funding between the lines, but they can't seem to find abortion or contraception in there.

 

RE: When that's all ya got..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:34:27
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 You have to admit Maxine telling the homeless to Go Home is pretty priceless!

 

RE: You COULD buy that reasoning..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:44:28
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 It's pretty easy to come to the conclusion when Biden stands at the microphone and basically declares war on the fossil fuel industry. Which he did. And on his first day in office signs an Executive Order to stop the Keystone XL pipeline. Gas prices soar and while they are at the highest price recorded in American history he stops the lease drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska? Explain to me again how that is a good look to the American people.

 

RE: Presidents always get blamed for high gas prices. Comes with the turf., posted on May 12, 2022 at 07:47:31
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 But Trump doesn't deserve credit for gas prices dropping below $2. I was filling up for several months at $1.47/gal.

 

It may NOT a good look..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:00:34
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 if the American people are no better informed than you.

And they appear not to be.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Thick as a brick......, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:13:52
Uncle Mike
 thick as a brick

 

Wingnuts stacked the court for those decisions and more. Its gonna get a lot worse. Fubar. nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:30:38
Rick W
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Exactly., posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:37:25
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 Originalism is the biggest, stinkiest, most disgusting pile of human shit--worse than bullshit--in jurisprudence.
The founders are all dead. Nobody can ask the what they were thinking when they stuck a superfluous comma or two.
It's just an excuse to rule according to the existing prejudices of a particular judge or justice.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:47:21
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 The last leases were given and they haven't developed anything. THis is a non event. They haven't run out of places to drill or frack, they aren't doing any of that.
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"You are precisely as big as what you love and precisely as small as what you allow to annoy you." ~ R A Wilson

 

Try this one for size, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:47:51
Uncle Mike
 The oil and gas companies have enough oil and gas wells. They wised up this time and decided they weren't going to produce more in order to drive up the cost/barrel. Each time in the past when oil prices went up production followed driving the prices back down. They thrived on thin margins before with a boom and bust cycle. Now they are looking to break the cycle. $100+/barrel oil and making big bucks is a lot better story to shareholders than $40/barrel oil and scraping by.
You have seen the many posts of the big profits that oil companies are reporting the last three quarters. Do you think the strategy is working out for them?
If you follow it deeper you would find out a lot of this is intertwined with the Rump imposed tariffs.
Moral of the story.....buy stock in oil and gas companies. I'm betting on Cottera Energy.

 

Making decisions based on whether they play into politically motivated sound bites is the path to idiocracy, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:49:30
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 I don't want my politicians to make short-sighted or counter-productive decisions to appease an ignorant public hungry for red meat.

Members of the public can't be well versed in all policy. We depend on our politicians and their staff and advisors to consider decisions more deeply than just "all oil drilling is bad" vs. "drill baby drill", and then explain their decisions to their constituents.

We also depend on the media to help educate us on the factors that weigh into these decisions. The biggest problem we have in this country right now is that the most influential media figures are driven by political agendas who try to frame every policy in D vs. R terms. Consequently, the news that most people consume today is mostly noise, not signal. And that's largely our fault because it's what we choose to consume.

Regarding Biden, I think he's OK. Not great, but OK. My biggest gripe with him was Build Back Better, but that failed. I wish his communications skills were better, more like Reagan or Obama than GWB.

 

RE: So you feel Biden is doing a good job?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:49:47
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 Things hurting biden: Inflation and Energy Prices

Things helping him: Leaked SCOTUS memo. Ukraine.

THings are so polarized there will be few switching sides, but turnout will be king. And how successful the voter suppression works against that turnout.
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Neither credit nor blame., posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:50:11
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 The last time gas prices were this high, Obama had just been inaugurated. By his last year in office, the price per gallon had dropped about 50%. He doesn't deserve the credit, just like neither he nor W deserved blame for $4/gallon gas.
If Trump had been re-elected, we'd be (incorrectly) blaming him for high gas prices instead of Biden. Because we still would have had high gas prices. And inflation.
Energy companies overproduced and got caught with their pants down during the pandemic. They say they're not going to make that mistake again (though they probably will). They're not going to increase production and we all need to get used to higher prices. Tough titty.
Americans failed to learn any lessons from Katrina, for that matter from the oil shocks of the 1970s. We want big cars, vehicles that are more about ego stroke than transportation needs. Americans think cheap gas is a birthright, then they roll out the door and mortgage the next 9 years for a Jeep Grand Wagoneer and cry like toddlers when it costs $80 to fill the tank.
Americans love the free market and want government to butt out until the free market bites them on the ass. Then they demand that government "do something."
We're a nation of spoiled children, far beyond the control of any president.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

Nah, www.records is OK., posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:53:21
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 He's just one of the many distracted by phony partisanship. Our leaders do what they can to trick us into playing the right-left game so we won't notice that our pockets are getting picked and that our freedoms are an illusion.
BTW, did you know that Ian Anderson wrote Thick As A Brick as a prog-rock satire?



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

Want to be really scared, posted on May 12, 2022 at 08:56:12
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 Watch the "man on the street" interviews.
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Nope, posted on May 12, 2022 at 09:06:09
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 Nope. Right now the oil companies are not even ramping up production in their current fields let alone the leases that have them covered for known reserves for 10 years of development.

There is a manpower and equipment shortage that was brought about by the negative oil prices in 2020 and the mass layoffs (and this was a big failure of the previous administration, who could have targeted oil production companies)

Right now they get insanely high prices for their product and for them that's just fine. At least for now.

It is clear that the Biden administration isn't from the oil patch, but this lease thing is a nonissue


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"You are precisely as big as what you love and precisely as small as what you allow to annoy you." ~ R A Wilson

 

RE: Nah, www.records is OK., posted on May 12, 2022 at 09:08:38
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 Satire you say? I did not know that, but in retrospect, it makes perfect sense.

"Your sperm's in the gutter and your love's in the sink." Aside from the very Vogonity of the poetry, and the underlying metaphor, it does make more sense when viewed as a satire.

I learnt something today.

 

Thing helping Biden big time, posted on May 12, 2022 at 09:21:41
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 Potential Trump re-entry.

I think he is doing good, close to great job on Ukraine, but overall he still is just a C- President.

I still feel he should announce in 2023 not running in 2024, to give his party a fighting chance.


 

RE: It may NOT a good look..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 09:48:41
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I agree with you and it is totally pathetic..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 09:52:06
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 ...Trump was elected by the "anti-Hillary" camp. Biden was elected by the "anti-Trump" camp. Neither party has a "winning candidate" (or should I say a specific qualified candidate) "groomed" and ready to go for 2024. Once again, we'll get our pick of dumb or dumber with the most money behind them.

So what two marginally-competent aging white men will we get to choose from for this next cycle? Or will the Dems stand behind the current policy of "only females of color need apply?"--for any Federal position.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

They are moving as fast as the can..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 10:13:47
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 short of overextending themselves on the financial side.

These are publicly traded firms and their investors like stock buy-backs and dividends. Can't spend ALL the money on growth.

But the rig count is still going up, albeit at only a few percent per month (seven in the last week).

A thousand by the end of the year? Doubtful but I suppose it's possible. Current price of crude makes sitting on the sidelines a very difficult thing for oil guys.




And while the US may be the worlds largest producer these days? Even with that, US producers can't really change the global price of oil just by raising or slowing production a bit. Not even the Saudis can do that by themselves, even though we are taught to believe they can do that.




First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: I agree with you and it is totally pathetic..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 10:15:54
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 Last time I checked Hillary wasn't "of color" no matter how hard she tried.

But right now the most reliable voting base for Democrats are "of color" so there is that, too.

But I agree, as things stand right now, aside from Trump and Biden, it is not clear at all who might be viable in the general, though DeSantis clearly has his eye on it, though I think he appeals to the current radicalized GOP than the general population.
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My favorite part is the "Where the hell was Biggles" section near the end of Side 1., posted on May 12, 2022 at 10:20:06
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 Not a great record, but my favorite from Jethro Tull.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

Democrats' ABSOLUTE winning ticket - two words:, posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:11:47
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 Chris Coons.

Very reasonable, super-intelligent, absolute killer in any debate, free of any stains.

Ah... and the last thing - from the great state of Delaware! :)


 

Intelligence is a negative attribute, posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:14:40
jdaniel@jps.net
 Pubs are going to any length to hide their Ivy League educations. Look at Cruz and Vance.

 

RE: Democrats' ABSOLUTE winning ticket - two words:, posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:23:52
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 Vic, you forgot to say he's a gentleman.

I am envious of you. I wish he was my Senator.

 

Forget the WH... , posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:30:44
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 I would just like to see him debating the fat dumb fuck - then you can call me a traitor! :)


 

RE: Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:42:08
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 At least 10 years of drilling for unused leases according to this article.




So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

Of course I agree in principle, but what's the objective standard for gerrymandering?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 11:58:18
Dave_K
 I live in a small purple state with just two districts. There has been a recurring debate over whether to define districts such that there are two competitive districts, or one Republican-leaning district and one Democrat-leaning district.

In 2011, the Republican House + Democratic Governor opted to make two competitive districts, but the balance ended up such that one district has continued to elect a Democratic incumbent by small but stable margins, while the other has swung back and forth.

This time, the Republican Governor and Republican House are fighting over plans. The Governor proposed a map that looks similar to the current one, but with adjustments to make two equally competitive districts again. The House proposed a map that would make one Democratic district and one Republican district.

There is now a third proposal on the table from a Republican State Rep that appears to be the least gerrymandered if you look at the map, but has the same effect of turning 2 competitive districts into one D and one R. It also places the largest city, which is a Democratic stronghold, within a solidly Republican district.

So, who is right?

 

RE: Of course I agree in principle, but what's the objective standard for gerrymandering?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 12:01:30
tweaker456
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 Whoever makes it less likely that traitors to the country and the Constitution get elected.





So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

LOL. Forget women of color. I'd be surprised if you ever voted to elect a white male Dem prez. nt, posted on May 12, 2022 at 12:05:45
Rick W
 nt

 

You mean he is not a racist. , posted on May 12, 2022 at 12:13:01
Victor Khomenko
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 I agree.


 

OK, so gerrymander away, as long as it's for your side? (nt), posted on May 12, 2022 at 12:28:55
Dave_K
 nt

 

After reading several articles from the NYT and WaP etc., posted on May 12, 2022 at 12:43:45
www.records
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 It seems clear it is about climate change. The Interior Dept claimed its commitment to reducing fossil fuels by at least 50% by 2030, hence stopping the oil leases citing lack of interest. Yet Biden seeks to buy oil from Turkey, Iran and Venezuala. How does that make any sense? In an attempt to reduce pollution from fossil fuels, we destroy our economy, but ask other country to pump and sell it to us?

Our country is now being ran by environmentalists that apparently don't care about the citizens and the damage they are causing to our country. And as of yet we have nothing that can replace fossil fuels. No one, no one produces fossil fuels as environmentally clean as in the USA. Yet Biden ok'd the Russian pipeline to the EU and shuts down our pipeline and drilling. He needs a cranium search!

Yes, I still believe global warming and cooling has been happening for millennia long before mankind walked the earth. But Steve, don't you believe in the science? No I don't and there are lots of scientist who don't believe it either.

Tisk tisk tisk!

 

You might be right--I'll have to think about that one..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 13:34:26
dark_dave56
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 ...I would have, last election cycle, if the party had not put-up a career politician almost as old as my father--and trust me, my father is much more mentally sound than our Prez.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

Not a racist... not committed to any particular party, either..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 13:39:24
dark_dave56
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 ...just give me a competent/qualified candidate--and not limit the qualifications to "female of color" (reverse discrimination) and we'll all be good to go. Just like there is a minimum age to serve as President--there should also be a maximum allowed. Lots of corporations have mandatory retirement ages--for a reason.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Not a racist... not committed to any particular party, either..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 14:01:23
pictureguy
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 Non-Starter.
As long as pols are part of the larger corporate structure, it'll be business as usual with everycouple years one being discovered DEAD as his or her desk.
Why would ANY 88 year old woman WANT to be Senator? Several others in the 80s.....with AVERAGE age rising every election.

I wouldn't know where to start to unravel THIS mess.......
Too much is never enough

 

Fantasyland. Leaving aside your dumbass climate change views..... , posted on May 12, 2022 at 14:01:35
Rick W
 Do you think if Biden approved all the leases he just canceled it would have any effect whatsoever on the price of gas now? WTF do you think, they'd start drilling tomorrow, score big oil discoveries immediately, send millions of barrels of oil to refineries next week, it'd all reach your local gas station by next month and prices would come down in time to drive from LA to NYC this summer for peanuts?

The majority of your posts just seem like right wing propaganda to appeal to fools. You certainly don't convince anybody who ISN'T an ignorant fool.

 

No he isn't, posted on May 12, 2022 at 15:07:15
Uncle Mike
 You want to stick up for him be my guest.
The guy is a mean old closed minded, bigoted, intellectual lightweight bouncing around in the echo chamber of the other closed minded sudo-power brokers trying to tell everyone what to think. He doesn't have neuron in his brain that could spark an informed, let alone intelligent opinion on his own.

 

Biden hasn't got much to do with the present situation, posted on May 12, 2022 at 15:16:32
BillH
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 And there wasn't much interest in leases, the White House said. Ask yourself this: Is it in Big Oil's interest to have a lot of oil on the world market and see its price fall below zero like it did a couple of years ago, or to judiciously release oil onto the market and rack up $20 billion in profit? There's your answer, and it will always be the answer as long as we are driving those giant SUVs and dependent on fossil fuels.

 

RE: Biden hasn't got much to do with the present situation, posted on May 12, 2022 at 15:37:15
mg16
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 There are 9000 approved and available oil leases, that the oil company's could be drilling on.
If big oil can drill less, (saving labor and production costs), and simply raise the price and increase profits 3-fold, why wouldn't they?
Altruistic they are not. Price gouging opportunists: yes they are.
mg16

 

Who was president in 2015 and 2016?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 16:37:37
Rick W
 Average gas prices.....

 

Who was president in 2019?, posted on May 12, 2022 at 16:41:07
Rick W
 Average gas price after Trump was in office for 2 years......

 

Drill baby drill..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 16:45:31
jedrider
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 Wasn't it Sarah Palin that said that as if she were going to just shoot holes through the Earth's crust?

 

RE: I agree with you and it is totally pathetic..., posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:27:56
elblanco
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 yes, HillBillery, Billery, Shrillery, etc..isnt the kind of candidate that will sway any voters. Her vote count was set on day one of campaign.

I was in a bar in fall of 2016 and the yokels there had fox news on and trump was making some whistle stop speech somewhere and speaking in broken sentences and making no sense.

One of the younger yokels said to one the "elders", "I have no idea what he's talking about"

the elder said to the younger, "he's sayin' we aint giving our money to baby making n***ers any more"

the younger said, "you got all that from that", or something like that.

the elder said a line similar to Jack Nicholson in the movie Hoffa.

he said "boy, you're listening to the words and not hearin' the melody"

I texted my sister Trump is gonna win, book it.

 

Naw, chris just doesn't have the X factor...., posted on May 12, 2022 at 17:42:29
Rod M
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  Since: March 1, 1999
 Or a full head of hair.

-Rod

 

Biden didn't either... look where he is now. :), posted on May 12, 2022 at 18:45:30
Victor Khomenko
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 I remember how everyone laughed when he did the transplants.

But he is now having the last laugh.


 

Nobody has more fun on the stump, posted on May 12, 2022 at 18:59:49
www.records
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 Than Trump. He loves it.

 

RE: Fantasyland. Leaving aside your dumbass climate change views..... , posted on May 12, 2022 at 19:17:16
www.records
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 So you say you like me? Sorry bro, homey don't play those games. So let your Parkinson's do the work.

 

RE: No he isn't, posted on May 12, 2022 at 19:30:42
www.records
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 I just have differing opinions than yours and don't agree with the Liberal BS. And I don't give 2 shits how much you dislike it. So get used to it.

 

is it difficult, posted on May 13, 2022 at 04:33:38
elblanco
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 to type wearing that white sheet.

 

RE: is it difficult, posted on May 13, 2022 at 05:04:40
www.records
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Posts: 4379
Location: SW Missouri
Joined: December 22, 2003
 Do you really believe that I am racist? Without knowing anything about me other than I have politically different views than you? So I must be racist?

Let me ask you this, which party supports the aborting of millions of black babies in the name of healthcare? THAT sounds racist to me.

Show me one thing I have ever posted here or anywhere that would suggest I am a racist. I guarantee you will find NOTHING!

F you! You are just another idiot who can't stand someone who doesn't agree with them politically so you call them racist. Weak stuff bro. Self reflection is your friend!

 

"So let your Parkinson's do the work.", posted on May 13, 2022 at 07:20:42
Bromo33333
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 Classy as always, bud.


====
"You are precisely as big as what you love and precisely as small as what you allow to annoy you." ~ R A Wilson

 

Dim too. nt, posted on May 13, 2022 at 13:57:27
Rick W
 nt

 

RE: Biden cancels oil and gas lease sale in Gulf and Alaska, posted on May 13, 2022 at 19:31:04
pictureguy
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 He's just doing what he's told.

Nothing more or less.......

I'm certain that gigantic amounts of $$$ are at stake here.....
Too much is never enough

 

A start would be term limits..., posted on May 14, 2022 at 05:48:56
dark_dave56
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 ...for all elected offices--local, state, and federal. A desire to perform public service is one thing, but being a career politician is a whole different scenario, and a huge problem.

Sure, if you want to go from state rep to governor, then keep going. If you want to go from a Senator or Governor to the Presidency, then keep going. But if you want to be a Senator in one state, in the same district for the remainder of your natural life--NO. You've got X# of terms/years to accomplish what you want to accomplish, and that's it. Move up or move out.

There should not be "seniority" in the House and Senate. Not saying that "junior" members of Congress aren't bought and paid for before they are elected, but they shouldn't be allowed to hang-around forever and then gain "influence".


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

How long is too long?, posted on May 14, 2022 at 09:55:31
Rick W
 I tend to agree about term limits but I think we need to bear in mind that it takes a while for pols to gain expertise in policy and legislation. They also need to develop good working relations both within their party and with the opposing party. Not that easy to come up with a sensible time limit.

 

RE: A start would be term limits..., posted on May 14, 2022 at 12:56:09
Inmate51
 That all sounds fine and dandy, but, what Congress is going to impose a term limit on itself?

That's the sticky wicket.

 

RE: A start would be term limits..., posted on May 14, 2022 at 21:09:02
pictureguy
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 Exactly......Unintended consequences when simply saying 'you can serve X years and out'....

Might be better to impose an AGE limit. Like everyone else required to retire at some point.

Other 'fixes'? Can't go from government to lobbyist.

Get rid of Corporate Personhood. If it can't be Executed.....It's not a person.

Simply BAN or severely Modify 'Soft Money'......

Campaign spending CAPS based on Number of Registered Voters, Cost of Living and office.
President is a higher limit per voter than ANY State Office.

Congressional Redistricting is handled BY COMPUTer which draws boundries based on equal population and shortest border. No more 'safe districts' and populist drawing of lines.....
Too much is never enough

 

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