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Amazon Terms Of Service

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Posted on July 20, 2021 at 13:09:01
pictureguy
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 They got RID of arbitration and now apparently you must SUE. A real step forward,


A CUT / PASTE FROM THE NOTIFICATION I JUST GOT:

We wanted to let you know that we recently updated our Conditions of Use.

One of our updates involves how disputes are resolved between you and Amazon. Previously, our Conditions of Use set out an arbitration process for those disputes. Our updated Conditions of Use provides for dispute resolution by the courts.

Please visit https://www.amazon.com/conditionsofuse to read our updated terms in full.

As always, your use of any Amazon service constitutes your agreement to our Conditions of Use.

Thank you,

Amazon
Too much is never enough

 

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RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 13:20:03
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 IMO, that's a good thing. A very good thing.

Arbitration is for suckers.

 

This is courtesy of "the new guy", post Bezos, who is busy at the moment., posted on July 20, 2021 at 13:22:33
free.ranger
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 Space yachting.

 

AMEN. Arbitration and/or "Class Action" are about useless. (nt), posted on July 20, 2021 at 13:28:13
David S.
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 I DID say (nt)

Why are you looking for text, here? :P

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 14:16:42
pictureguy
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 Doesn't that entail hiring an attoryney and serving papers and all the rest?
I wonder how that applies to the 'storefront' companies doing business ON Amazon.
Some of those guys may be tough to track down.
And also? I'm thinking that Amazon is a haven for counterfeiters. People selling 'fake' stuff.....
Too much is never enough

 

RE: AMEN. Arbitration and/or "Class Action" are about useless. (nt), posted on July 20, 2021 at 14:18:08
pictureguy
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 I'll agree with you on Class Action.
SONY lost several such suits dealing with SXRD and LCD projection TVs.......and just basically skated.

I see Multi-Million $$$ class actin settlements......Than get a coupon in the mail good for 20$ against my NEXT PURCHASE from the same rats.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 14:19:49
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 Under arbitration, one party can lie and cheat all they want to, and very probably get away with it, because the other party does NOT have the power to legally compel discovery of evidence.

Discovery is the beginning of justice.

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 18:38:25
pictureguy
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 Wow! So you're stuck with a BAD way or an EXPENSIVE way!

Thanks for heads up. AGreed about Discovery.....
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RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 18:49:35
Sondek
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 Not sure which way is expensive and which way is bad.

Could make that argument either way, but yeah, you're pretty much dead on.

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 20, 2021 at 20:20:30
pictureguy
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 Hired an ATTORNEY latelY?

I've done an IMMIGRATION for someone. For Free. Attorneys 30+ years ago wanted 600$ or so.

And than YOU pay for all fhe Notary and other services, including 'certified' copies of EVERYTHING.

Today? I'm teaching myself Trusts to avoid the 2Grand in attorney fees.....and again, maybe 500$ or more in Notary and documentary fees......
And this is for this SIMPLIEST document with minimal stuff IN the trust. I've already found out that putting cars in trust in CA is a nightmare of DMV......But doing so AS PURCHASED is doable.
Too much is never enough

 

Don't care..., posted on July 21, 2021 at 05:28:06
b.l.zeebub
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 ...because I've never bought anything off Amazon and do not intend to start doing so either.

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 21, 2021 at 07:32:33
Sondek
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 The cost of atty's and court could easily offset getting fleeced in arbitration, or not. Like I said, you could make the argument either way.

Costs are potentially high either way, but at least in court with a lawyer there are enforceable ground-rules.

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 21, 2021 at 13:50:06
pictureguy
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 has the ring of correctness.

Besides? If you went into arbitration, do you not think they'd send a PRO? Can you 'hire' a pro?
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Don't care..., posted on July 21, 2021 at 14:21:17
pictureguy
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 Jeff Thanks You!

No mas for ME, either.......
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Amazon Terms Of Service, posted on July 21, 2021 at 14:26:03
Sondek
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 Hard to say, but most I've seen don't allow for legal representation. One of the reasons for arbitration is usually stated as a way for both parties to avoid legal expense.

The stipulation to arbitration is usually set out as part of a user license of some kind. Either agree to it, and the rules we've set, or don't be a user.

On its surface, arbitration sounds like a good thing. The reality is sometimes a deck that's stacked against you.

Arbitration is not evil. It can be a very good thing. You just need to be aware of your options and remedies before agreeing to it.

 

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