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More on the Ford Maverick from "Jalopnik."

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Posted on June 8, 2021 at 12:47:47
ghost of olddude55
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 Something like this might just be the perfect vehicle for my wife and I. Hybrid or no, CVT or no.
I'm leery of Fords though.



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Dunno' about that, but I missed the original..., posted on June 8, 2021 at 17:50:30
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Drove them briefly in the 70s. However, Dad decided to purchase the Pinto instead.


 

Drove several, even crashed one., posted on June 9, 2021 at 07:00:11
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 IMO, the Pinto was a better car in every way. The original Maverick was uncomfortable, not enough legroom in the front for me. The car I drove was AC equipped but there were no vents in the dashboard itself. Ford added the vents in a panel hung from the bottom of the dash. My left knee was cold, the rest of me got no cold air at all.
Based on the original Ford Falcon, which means it shared its basic structure and suspension with the Falcon, Comet, Fairlane, Meteor, Mustang, Cougar, first gen Torino and Montego, Granada and Monarch, Lincoln Versailles.
This was good and bad. Good, because parts to improve the Mustang's bad steering geometry and suspension flaws will usually fit the Maverick. Bad, because the above mentioned steering geometry and suspension flaws.
Also, they rusted out faster than Pintos did.



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how could a truck with a BED that short be considered "useful"?, posted on June 8, 2021 at 13:35:47
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It's the worst of all worlds to my way of thinking.

I miss my Taco ;)



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That's not a short bed. , posted on June 8, 2021 at 17:34:48
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THIS is a short bed.

The mighty Suzuki Mighty Boy, sold in Oz in the 1980's ;-)


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RE: That's not a short bed. , posted on June 9, 2021 at 07:18:22
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Remember this? Hummer H2 SUT, while on the topic of useless beds.

 

yup (nt), posted on June 9, 2021 at 12:35:09
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Kind of like a mini Subaru "Brat" (nt), posted on June 9, 2021 at 07:11:19
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

I wonder..., posted on June 9, 2021 at 07:26:12
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 ...if that was the predecessor to the X-90, eventually (but briefly) sold in the US in the mid-90's?


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There's an X-90 here in town that I see occasionally, posted on June 9, 2021 at 12:36:18
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 And, years back, I worked with a woman who had one.
Sort of scarily-proportioned little beasties -- even compared to a Smart Car (or a Suzuki Samurai).


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mrh

 

Quite strangely, I like the styling of the X-90, posted on June 9, 2021 at 22:39:13
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 They are a useless - all style and nothing else.
Which works for me if it's done honestly.
Manga on wheels.


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I'd sell a kidney to have a vehicle called "Mighty Boy"! ;) (nt), posted on June 8, 2021 at 17:36:16
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LOL, posted on June 8, 2021 at 17:44:33
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 They were big in the trade auto parts delivery business, with a cutie in short shorts at the wheel ;-)



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Your Taco would be worth some bucks today., posted on June 8, 2021 at 13:57:42
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 Used values of old Tacomas are skyrocketing.
Anyway, we don't have a farm, so we don't need to haul hay. We don't have a construction business, no need to haul sheets of plywood or load the bed with gravel.
But our cars are both two-door coupes. Large trunks with mail-slot trunk openings. I really need a large 32-gallon recycling can but I have no way to get it home from Lowes.
Broke the lawn mower two years ago, and if it happened now, I'd have to have the new one delivered.
That's how the Maverick's bed is useful.



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do you think any of that stuff would fit in the Maverick's bed?, posted on June 8, 2021 at 16:31:53
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 Looks like maybe four or four-and-a-half feet long.
Even that Taco was a little over 6 feet long, right at the lower limit of 'useful' IMO.


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Oh, yeah., posted on June 9, 2021 at 03:57:03
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 They'd fit in the Cobalt's trunk if it didn't have such a small opening. The car has a big trunk. I can barely reach all the way into the back of the rear seats.



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Ghost, just buy a used Honda Fit with a 6-speed manual..., posted on June 8, 2021 at 14:22:41
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 I've owned two of them, the first one was a 2010 totaled in a drive-by sideswiping incident. I replaced that one with a 2017, same color.

Reliability and unrivaled utility for a compact car.

And it's pretty fun to drive... 130hp out of the 1.5 liter four, in a relatively light platform.

What are you waiting for?

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Good call! ... and with the rear seat design in the modern Fits..., posted on June 8, 2021 at 17:16:03
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you can put, umm, I mean, fit all sorts of weird stuff in the back of 'em! :)



Our son has a 2013 Fit (smaller than the current morph) with a 5-speed and he absolutely loves it.





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Two problems with the Fit are..., posted on June 9, 2021 at 03:52:22
ghost of olddude55
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 1) Finding one with a manual transmission.
2) Finding one that isn't rusting out. Up here in the snow belt, Fits have a tendency to rust in the rear quarter panels around the wheel openings after only three or four winters.



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that's funny -- even old ones are common here in Northern New England, posted on June 9, 2021 at 04:38:36
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 Up here the US brand name pickups have serious rust after 3 to 4 years.

Not hard to find manuals here, either -- folks up here are flinty.
Our son's was bought in the DC suburbs, FWIW -- obviously not recently, though.



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There are a lot of Fits here, but 99% have automatics., posted on June 9, 2021 at 05:14:39
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 and probably half of them have rust coming through the rear quarter panel ahead of the rear wheel openings.
My next door neighbor's daughter bought one new--it was first generation--and I got to watch the rust progress first hand. She traded it in for an (ugh) HRV.
The powers that be use salt brine on the roads around here. Some kind of program called "Clear Roads" the goal of which is to have the roads completely clear of snow and ice at all times.
So they use brine instead of cinders or rock salt and that stuff penetrates where regular salt can't. If you don't get the underside of the car cleaned regularly, it'll rust.



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Manuals are hard to find., posted on June 8, 2021 at 14:39:56
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 I've seen a few for sale locally, but that's it.
I'd love a Fit. My wife probably would also. When that distracted soccer mom in the CRV nails my Cobalt, the manual Fit is at the top of my list as a possible replacement.



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Manufacturers need to get more branding personnel., posted on June 8, 2021 at 13:05:57
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 The old Mitsubishi Eclipse was a sports car, now an SUV.
Now Ford replaces the Maverick (2 door and sedan of yore) with a truck...
Interesting.
My bro, sis and me trying to look cool in front of our parents old red Maverick. Year? Maybe 1975?


 

Dunno, man, you all look pretty cool., posted on June 9, 2021 at 07:43:52
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 Branding hasn't been kind to the model car world. About 30 years ago, the automakers figured out that they could demand licensing fees from the model car producers. The result is drastically more expensive kits.
It also limits what the 1:1 car makers can name the vehicles. Stellantis, by virtue of its buyout of FCA, owns the rights to the names Hornet, Wasp, Rebel, Rambler, Eagle, Jet, Ambassador, American, et al thanks to Chrysler's buyout of American Motors. AMC was formed by the merger of Nash and Hudson.
Wouldn't mind having a vintage Maverick today. 289, 5-speed, some Mustang handling goodies.



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That's some pretty cool names for a sports car!, posted on June 9, 2021 at 09:37:12
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 Hornet, Wasp, Rebel... they need to act on that. But I'm not a Dodge guy, so unless they change their design principles. Maybe they could come out with a slightly smaller sports car that looks nice.

 

Not a Dodge guy either., posted on June 9, 2021 at 09:58:00
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 Been towed home too many times in Dodges and/or Plymouths.
The two I had--'86 Dodge Lancer Turbo and '87 Plymouth Horizon--were fun to drive though.



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RE: More on the Ford Maverick from "Jalopnik.", posted on June 8, 2021 at 13:01:59
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 They should make a SINGLE drive train. A 4 cyl diesel. Plenty of torque for towing and would get mid-30s on the road. A scaled version of the 6 speed auto that is used with the BIG V8 in the super duty models.
No need to develop multiple drive trains....though much I suspect is 'off the shelf'.....But still and all? Might be able to bring it in at a reasonable price. Keep the content UP to ease the sting of the couple grand Premium for a compression ignition mill.
Ford has a diesel waiting in the wings in many non-USA markets.......

I won't buy it, though. I've had nothing but bad experience with FORD.....


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It's all off-the-shelf., posted on June 8, 2021 at 14:12:34
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 Share's its platform with the Bronco and Escape. Mazda engine in the base model.
The small displacement EcoBoost engines are problematic, and Ford's aren't designed with owner maintenance in mind, that's for sure.
I liked my Rangers but that was then, this is now. Some of the things Ford does, like cheap cam followers and timing chain issues do make me leery of ever buying another.
But if we ever did think about selling the wife's car and replacing it with something new, we'd definitely give the Maverick a look.



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RE: It's all off-the-shelf., posted on June 8, 2021 at 14:17:02
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 I'm thinking FORD is designed to fail.
Neighbor had the big Eco V6 in his truck. Told it was unfixable, basically, after a cam chain / timing chain issue. He DID get it fixed aftermarket.

And it's not just the cars which are awful, the SERVICE stinks, too. I'm not going into detail, but I had several fixes done right IN the check out line....Rattles? Leaks? No clean up AFTER? And a fuel tank not put in right which caused a leak / spill when I went for a fill right after 'fix'.....

No Mas 4 Me....
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My kid's car has the PowerShift automatic., posted on June 8, 2021 at 15:05:37
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 It's been replaced twice under that "we don't have any choice but to cover this thing" warranty Ford offers. The Focus would be a great car with a manual, but she can't drive a manual.
My son in law traded in his first gen Escape for a 2013, 1.6 EcoBoost. Did it without asking me first. I'd have told him to run like Mexican water through a first-time tourist.
The transmission has a known fault caused mostly by inferior factory parts. Had to be rebuilt, luckily covered under his used car warranty. Ford and GM developed that transmission jointly, it's used in the Fusion, was also used in the Malibu, Cruze, and IIRC Impala. The rebuild was done with Sonnex parts, so he's good now.
But that engine has an issue with ingesting coolant and contaminating the engine oil under boost.
He traded the old Escape (had the V6) because of a rattle from the rear end. Never asked me to look at that either. Probably just a sway bar end link.
You should watch some of the FordTechMakuloco vids on YouTube. By the way, that's pronounced "Ford Tech Make You Loco."



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RE: My kid's car has the PowerShift automatic., posted on June 8, 2021 at 16:29:08
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 Wife had a Taurus. Used oil like my my last name was GETTY.

But the tranns seemed OK. Ford sourced it from AISIN and maybe a couple others......so you had to check your cars VIN to determine the exact replamement part for some jobs....


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