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New Trinity Sessions SACD

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Posted on March 20, 2017 at 04:47:37
mcondo
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Anyone have this SACD yet and what are your thoughts on the SQ?

 

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RE: New Trinity Sessions SACD , posted on March 20, 2017 at 07:56:27
Jim Pearce
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I've had it since some time around Christmas. I was surprised by the overall improvement in clarity over the CD - both voices and instruments. It is subtle but consistent. Also less sibilance in Margo's voice and tighter bass. This is no SACD demonstration disc: on an absolute scale it sounds more like an above-average CD now. But it is definitely easier to listen to than the CD.

 

RE: New Trinity Sessions SACD , posted on March 20, 2017 at 18:57:49
Archimago
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Remember, this album was recorded with a DAT. This means that at best this was a 16/48 PCM source.

Though the remastering could have improved the EQ of the sound or run it through some DSP for clarity/noise reduction, we're looking at a source that's perhaps just slightly better than CD.

I have heard the new SACD and I think it's a slight improvement. Nothing to get too excited about though; nor can we realistically expect much!

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RE: New Trinity Sessions SACD , posted on March 20, 2017 at 21:52:31
Doug Schneider
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Hi,

I've gotten to know the engineer behind this recording really well. We talk often and, in fact, we're scheduled to shoot a video about it at the church it was recorded at next month.

It might come as a surprise, but despite what the liner notes say about a DAT machine, what was actually used was a Beta-based digital recorder (I can't recall if it was a Sony or Nakamichi at the moment). He had a DAT machine there and recording, but the Beta machine was significantly better sounding, he said, so that's what was used.

Doug Schneider
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RE: New Trinity Sessions SACD , posted on March 21, 2017 at 02:57:53
fantja
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Good catch! Doug.

 

Nakamichi..., posted on March 21, 2017 at 06:22:39
Jim Pearce
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Well, Sony with a Nakamichi processor. Someone linked to this article on the original recording on Steve Hoffman: http://www.soundonsound.com/people/cowboy-junkies-sweet-jane .

 

for the curious..., posted on March 21, 2017 at 07:30:37
Jim Pearce
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How it worked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCM_adaptor .

 

I have the BMG Canada USA pressing here and it does mention the DAT on the back..., posted on March 22, 2017 at 22:28:37
Chris Garrett
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It says:

"A Digital R-Dat recording, using only a Calrec Ambisonic Microphone."

FWIW.

Chris

 

RE: I have the BMG Canada USA pressing here and it does mention the DAT on the back..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 17:34:29
fantja
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Nice! Chris.

 

RE: I have the BMG Canada USA pressing here and it does mention the DAT on the back..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 21:47:01
Doug Schneider
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Hi,

It's true that it says that -- and, in fact, the original CD (I have) says that too.

But I know Peter J. Moore extremely well and with 100% certainty, I can tell you that what you are hearing is NOT the DAT machine. He recorded it on two machines, one being the DAT, but never used it, since he said it sounded much worse.

Doug Schneider
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RE: I have the BMG Canada USA pressing here and it does mention the DAT on the back..., posted on March 24, 2017 at 03:12:31
fantja
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Yes Doug,
I have an original pressing CD as well. IMO, DAT machines, were way ahead of their time.

 

RE: I have the BMG Canada USA pressing here and it does mention the DAT on the back..., posted on March 24, 2017 at 07:29:35
Doug Schneider
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Hi,

They might've been. BTW, this article linked below also confirms what I'd said.

Doug Schneider
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the two apocryphal tales of this recording are "true"..., posted on March 24, 2017 at 08:16:51
Jim Pearce
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1. There is an analog tape. True, but it's a videotape in which the digital audio is encrypted.
2. Margo Timmins sang over a PA. True, but it was a pretty fancy PA.

 

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