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So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A...

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Posted on June 24, 2013 at 16:00:01
Gerry E.
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Marantz SA-11S3! I gave strong consideration to the new SOtM sDP-1000 DAC/Preamp (see the 6moons review) plus an Oppo 105 or Marantz SA-8004. In the end, I really like the Marantz “house sound” and wanted to get the best SACD playback that I could. I also got a very good deal from a local Marantz dealer who had a NIB SA-11S3 in stock.

I’ve only had it for a week, but the SA-11S3 sounds very similar to the SA-7S1. With only 10 to 12 hours on it, it’s already sounding more dynamic then new out of the box. And that’s without upgrading the fuses which made a significant difference in dynamics with the SA-7S1.

For current or future owner's of the SA-11S3, who want to upgrade the fuses, here’s what I discovered: The top panel is very easy to remove. You only have to take out the two screws in the back that attach the top panel to the back panel. The top panel will then slide back, up and out (it may not seem like it at first but just stick with it).

All six fuses are the small (5 x 20mm) size, slow-blow (indicated by type T) and 250 volts. Here are the values (Marantz part number, value):

F8400 4 amp (main power fuse)
F8200 1 amp
F8210 1 amp
F8700 1 amp
F8710 1.6 amp
F8720 1.6 amp

I used Hi-Fi Tuning Supreme fuses in my SA-7S1 but I may give the AMR Gold fuses a try (use the link below). Some people like them better than the HFT fuses and they are about 1/3rd the cost. Here are a couple of photos of the SA-11S3 with its top cover off:







Gerry

P.S. The dealer I bought it from is Safe and Sound in Chicopee, MA. For a good deal on Marantz and other brands, give Mike a call or send him an e-mail. Tell him I sent you.

 

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RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on June 25, 2013 at 15:21:35
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 Thanks for the note Gerry, I ordered the S3 as well. I currently have an S2 and love it! So, not really sure why I am doing this, but anyways, how much are the fuses you mention above?

Thanks
T

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on June 25, 2013 at 18:48:40
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 "...how much are the fuses you mention above?"

Less than $60 for a 3-pack. This works out well for the SA-11S3 because you can replace all 6 fuses for about $120. I'm waiting to hear from the USA importer/distributor but they can also be purchased on eBay from international sellers.

Gerry

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on June 26, 2013 at 11:13:52
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 So Gerry, do you think you have enough time in it now to give a detailed comparison of the SA11S3 to the SA7S1?

 

What difference..., posted on June 26, 2013 at 17:18:14
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 ...do you perceive from the upgraded fuses?

 

RE: What difference..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 04:09:30
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 As I have written before, the one (valid) criticism of the SA-7S1 is that it's a bit too laid back/mellow. It sounded much more dynamic with the upgraded fuses.

Upgrading the main power fuse made the most significant difference by far, so I recommend people start with that. BTW, I was extremely skeptical of boutique fuses until I heard them for myself at a friend of a friend's house. There were four of us there and everyone heard the improvement.

For a reviewer's take on upgrading the fuses, use the link below to see Jeff Parks' review of the SA-11S2 in Positive Feedback. If you don't want to read the entire review, you can skip down to the section titled "The Result... ".

Gerry

 

Did you compare..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 07:41:58
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 ..the sound of this Marantz Vs an Oppo 105 player? I am interested to know this, please.

 

RE: Did you compare..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 08:08:39
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 There is a short write up of it in the Absolute Sound or Stereophile sidebar of the review of the SA11S3 and PM11S3.

Basically it states that the Oppo 105 is nice but doesn't compare to the Marantz at all.

T

 

RE: Did you compare..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 13:06:14
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 Gotoma8,
Thanks for the info.
Are you aware of the difference in the 2 DACs in these 2 machines? The Oppo hsa the latest ESS DAC while the Marantz has an older DAC.

 

RE: Did you compare..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 13:59:15
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 Yes I am...I think the bottom line is preference, etc.

Also, in terms of DAC, you are right the OPPO has the latest DAC in the ESS and the Marantz uses a 9 year old BB Dac, but to me, it's not the DAC that is the ultimate in end sound quality, but how it's implemented. It's like saying that using the same an older Porsche will still beat out a new Toyota!

Right?

 

RE: Did you compare..., posted on June 27, 2013 at 14:22:50
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 That makes sense.
I will also keep an eye open for any reviews on the newly released (Europe) Yamaha CD-S3000.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on June 28, 2013 at 01:55:14
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 Nice! Gerry and Thanks! for sharing.

 

I like the look of your system, posted on June 28, 2013 at 07:52:07
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 The use of similar wood tones is cool.
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Nice speakers!, posted on June 28, 2013 at 08:29:55
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 Often find myself missing my old JE Labs OB speakers with Goodmans of England 201 cones and EV Horn Tweeters.

Mostly listened to vinyl and FM (Kenwood KT-8300) back in those days.




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And I did not speak out
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SA-11S3 vs. SA-7S1, posted on June 28, 2013 at 10:48:44
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 It’s still too early to give a final assessment of the SA-11S3 vs. the SA-7S1. I would like to have at least 100 hours on it plus the fuse upgrade (at least the main power fuse). However, I can give a preliminary opinion with one caveat. The caveat is that I upgraded my 300B output tubes from EML solid-plates to Sophia Royal Princess during the time that I sold the SA-7S1 and purchased the SA-11S3. With that in mind...

I was extremely impressed listening to the SA-11S3 a couple of nights ago. It sounds smooth, rich and detailed with pin-point imaging. The biggest change I have noticed in my system is the sweet and extended high frequencies. This may have to do with the Royal Princess 300Bs or maybe a combination of both those and the SA-11S3. Either way, at this stage I can confidently say that the SA-11S3 will be better than the SA-7S1 or it already is better.

BTW, the SA-11S3 works extremely well with my LDR-based passive attenuator. This is not a surprise because the output impedance from the SA-11S3’s RCA single-ended output jacks is an excellent and very low 47 ohms. That is not a published spec so I asked Marantz via their Owner’s Circle customer support website. I also found out something else from them. The SA-11S3 has a “standby mode” but not all of the circuits are kept “warm” during standby. Therefore, for best sound, you will want to turn it on a little (say 10 – 15 minutes) before serious listening. I would keep my SA-7S1 powered on at all times for best sound. With the standby mode, I probably won’t do that with the SA-11S3 even though it won’t sound its best until all circuits are fully warmed up.

I just don’t see how you can do better for the cost if you are looking for an all-in-one player at anything close to its price range. As milpai posted, I was concerned about the use of the older BB DSD1792A DAC vs. the new Sabre 9018 DAC used in other players. One listening session with the SA-11S3 should convince anyone that it’s not all about having the latest DAC. Also note, that if you are waiting for the Yamaha CD-S3000 player that I mentioned in another thread, I was told that you may be waiting for a while.

Gerry

 

RE: SA-11S3 vs. SA-7S1, posted on June 28, 2013 at 11:41:21
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 Thank you Gerry. I really appreciate the time to write this up for me. I can't wait to get my unit and break it in as well. I will compare against the SA11S2, unless it sells and post my thoughts.

Have you tried the DAC on the S3?

 

Marantz and Oppo, posted on June 28, 2013 at 13:41:25
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 I also read the reviews of the Marantz SACD. I want to remind everybody that the Marantz is almost 4 times the price of the Oppo 105. The question for a lot of us is whether is worth the difference and also IMHO, digital moves and will move even faster. I had my Oppo 95 for almost 3 years now. I have been very happy with it.


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RE: Marantz and Oppo, posted on June 28, 2013 at 16:07:57
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 Ruben, it's never going to be "worth" the difference in absolute dollars....I may be marginally better than the Oppo on SACD / CD playback as well as a DAC, but who knows...but I guess for someone with LOTS of dollars, the 4 times in price is irrelevant!

Tuan

 

RE: Marantz and Oppo, posted on June 28, 2013 at 18:00:54
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 That was my point. Better be an improvement with that price difference. Just the fact that we are comparing them is a victory for the Oppo.
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RE: I like the look of your system, posted on June 28, 2013 at 18:54:44
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Thanks. Even the subwoofer hidden in the back right corner is color-coordinated!

Gerry

 

RE: Marantz and Oppo, posted on June 28, 2013 at 19:03:29
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 I think people realize that diminishing returns sets in rapidly for most audio components once you get past the $1000 - $2000 range.

And for accuracy - most people will opt for the BDP-105 these days and it costs $1199. With a little work, one should have no problem getting a SA-11S3 for less than 3 times that price.

Gerry

 

Marantz 7007 and Oppo 105 are the same price,, posted on June 29, 2013 at 08:05:19
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 Oppo has more features and now DSD File playback.
Marantz has bigger, richer sound, will play 24/192 on USB stick.
I preferred and got the 7007.
I think that's a fairer comparison than with more expensive Marantz players.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on June 30, 2013 at 01:54:43
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 Nice! Gerry keep us posted as you burn-in this wonderful spinner.

 

RE: SA-11S3 vs. SA-7S1, posted on July 1, 2013 at 08:35:54
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 Gerry,
I think you are right - "implementation" matters.
As far as the Yamaha is concerned - it does not have the USB A which my family would like to have in a new player, because they sometimes like to come over and listen to their iPod music on the system.
For the Marantz, I am hoping that they release a firmware to enable the S3 to play DSF/DFF files in the future, the same way Oppo has done it.
Keeping my options open, since I am not in a hurry to by a new CDP. I have an older Oppo 970 HD as a backup.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 1, 2013 at 09:35:56
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 Instead of starting another thread, I thought I give a quick opinion on MY S11S3 that I received Friday!

First off, as like all other Marantz Reference Series, this piece is a BEAUT! Everything but the front center/display are exactly the same as the SA11S2, plus the additional digital inputs in the back, etc. The first thing I noticed is that the SACDM-2 drive is much much quieter than the one on the SA11S2, it's slides more smoother, if that was possible, but slower. Gerry, is it slower to you as well!

Second, as a SACD player, It's hard to give a definitive opinion, but I think it renders better details and overall has more PRAT than the SA11S2. I could have easily lived with the S2 forever, but the additional DAC is really nice as well. I would have to say, so far it sounds much better than the Schiit Bifrost in Optical input. I think the Bifrost can be a little on the edgy and "glassy" side (note, it's a great dac in my opinion, but the Marantz has more "there" to it.

Overall, the Marantz is a keeper and I will give more comments when time and listening permits!

Tuan

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 1, 2013 at 17:37:53
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 I replaced all my fuses too, Can't say it made a huge difference. I also grounded it, shorted the digital clock input & put a copper sleeve on the power cord pressed physically up against the unit to complete RFI shielding on the power cord. All these things are worth a try and collectively improve the sound somewhat.

Don't think I'm selling mine any time soon. It's one of the few pieces I haven't internally modded the heck out of.

The amps look cool. What are they?

Happy listening!

 

Congratulations on the new player...., posted on July 2, 2013 at 05:46:43
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 ..and please post updates after detailed comparison.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 2, 2013 at 11:42:55
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 Barry, thanks for getting some comments on the fuses. Please keep us updated on the replacement of the fuses and how they affect the sound of the S3...

Thanks!

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 2, 2013 at 19:51:39
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 "The amps look cool. What are they?"

Bottlehead Paramount 300B kit amps with upgraded Blumenstein Audio bamboo bases. I wish I could take credit for building them but they were already built when I bought them.

Another Bottlehead amp owner put it best - Bottlehead amps aren't just great kit amps, they are great amps period. This person has very deep pockets and could pretty much own any amps he wants. He chose to use multiple sets of Bottlehead amps in a multi-amp system.

Gerry

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 4, 2013 at 13:38:01
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Here it is, my SA11S3

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 5, 2013 at 07:13:21
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 Thanks for the photos. There should be a sticker on the back with the date of manufacture. Mine is January, 2013. I'm just curious, what is yours? Here are the answers to a couple of questions that were asked awhile ago.

The first day or two, I thought I noticed that the transport was a little slow to open. However, it has opened fast since then. I have no explanation for this nor did I establish any pattern to explain it. I will continue to monitor this attribute.

I finally got around to testing the USB input on the front panel yesterday (July, 4th). I connected my wife's iPod Classic. Believe it or not, I think this was the first time I have ever operated an iPod (it's just not my kind of thing). Speaking of operation, you have the option of controlling the iPod via the S3's remote or directly from the iPod itself.

I tried it both ways and it worked flawlessly. The sound was pretty much what you would expect an iPod to sound like when played through a decent audio system. Not great but not bad either. Definitely not "CD Quality", let alone SACD. OTOH, some drum whacks actually sounded pretty impressive. The one question I have is which DAC is active when playing an iPod through the S3, the internal iPod DAC or the DSD1792A in the Marantz?

Gerry

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 5, 2013 at 08:25:45
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 Gerry,

As you asked, mine is also January 2013.

I would assume that all inputs coming from digital sources, would be using the onboard Marantz DAC.

The drawer is slower than the SA11S2 and is much more quiet though!

Tuan

 

Thanks for the fuse info, posted on July 18, 2013 at 20:24:51
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 I've had my SA11S3 for about 9 months now and love it, it seems to be catching on. I paid $3500 from Music Direct as I caught a price misprint in their catalog.

When I tried ordering fuses for it, I was advised it would void the warranty. But at this point I am going to look into the AMR's. thanks for the list.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 19, 2013 at 19:30:00
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 Beautiful Pics!

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 19, 2013 at 20:38:51
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 thanks...it's easy as it's a great looking piece!
are you getting one?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 20, 2016 at 11:49:31
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 I have ordered a SA11S3 and would love to hear of any tips on use of power cables, interconnect cables and the machines preference to where and what it is sat on.
Kev Edwards.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 20, 2016 at 16:31:59
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 Kev:

The Marantz SACD players really respond to upgraded fuses. I am using Synergistic Research RED fuses in my three Marantz players. I would suggest starting with the main 4 amp fuse location. Synergistic Research is one of the few companies that offer a 30 trial on there fuses.

The improvement is significant. The fuse needs 100 hrs. to fully break in.

David Pritchard

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 20, 2016 at 17:07:45
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 Thank you David.
Kev Edwards.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 20, 2016 at 17:15:11
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 I have noticed that a few people are putting what looks like a heavy metal object on top of their Marantz SA11S3s, Why??
Kev Edwards.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 22, 2016 at 08:13:19
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 Welcome! kev.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 22, 2016 at 08:14:00
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 Gerry-

are you still using the Marantz?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 23, 2016 at 08:51:05
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 Why did you replace your Marantz SA7-S1, I replaced mine with the Sony XA5400ES, In my experience all Marantz players need modification.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 24, 2016 at 06:52:44
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 Disbeliever-
did you like the SA-7s1 better then the Sony ES ?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 24, 2016 at 07:05:57
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 You must be joking the Sony 5400ES is superior, has mch and is much cheaper than the obese overpriced stereo only Marantz SA7-S1 paying for weight not SQ. You may be interested to know that Marantz said my comments gave them problems with sales of the SA7-S1.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 24, 2016 at 14:40:56
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 Not joking here...
Esoteric is at the top of my SACD playback list.
Reading about other excellent SACD spinners, I am trying to deduce which player, I really want to purchase.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 24, 2016 at 16:19:12
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 I have a 11S2 that I would like to replace the fuses. I removed the three screws from the back but the cover does not want to budge, Any suggestions on how to remove the cover?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on February 24, 2016 at 23:51:25
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 I did not like the Esoterics they IMO do not compare well with Sony or Marantz

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 25, 2016 at 03:08:57
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 Funny how any thread involving the Marantz SA7 brings 'disbeliever' out of the woodwork with his usual ill informed and u helpful comments

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 07:00:24
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 Any love for the SA-14 ?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 07:36:27
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 No Can not see the point of a stereo only SACD player,

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 07:40:11
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 My unhelpful but accurate comments on the poor SQ of the Marantz SA7-S1 despite many absurd reviews, gave Marantz a headache in the UK and led to its quick demise .IMO a total waste of money,& time 750 hour burn in fortunately I bought mine at Trade price, got all my money back when I sold it on.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 07:58:56
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 The SA14SE was released 18 months ago in the UK and has been highly rated by Hi Fi News so should be worth trailing but I have not heard it yet personally. Indeed I would love to get my hands on one for a week or two.

I suspect that it would be a huge step up from the SA8004 but probably not as good as the SA11-S3. Ken Ishiwata has been associated with the upgraded SA14 player but it carries the SE moniker rather than the old and familiar KI Signature logo. Sad really as KI still sells big on e-Bay so is a brand name worth maintaining.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 08:05:33
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 Yawn!

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on March 26, 2016 at 08:10:47
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 listening to the SA7-S1 did make me yawn ,

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on April 12, 2016 at 16:09:28
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 Guys-

any one using Audioquest cabling w/ your Marantz spinners?
Which models?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 8, 2016 at 15:55:58
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 Nope, I use my own DIY Balanced Cables...

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 9, 2016 at 05:37:49
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RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 11, 2016 at 04:59:47
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 I found Audioquest like most if not all expensive cables to be a total rip-off. Do not waste dough on expensive cables.

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 11, 2016 at 09:19:15
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 Which cabling do you suggest?

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 11, 2016 at 09:46:53
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 I have just bought a excellent I metre HDMI cable latest spec. from Amazon Realmax it cost

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 12, 2016 at 04:35:14
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RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 12, 2016 at 05:17:13
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 Some years ago I was very foolish and paid

 

RE: So I Replaced My Marantz SA-7S1 With A..., posted on July 16, 2016 at 15:45:07
fantja
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 Best to buy used/demo.

 

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