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What are those tweets?

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Posted on March 9, 2017 at 13:56:13
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We were shown some homes yesterday, saw one with this setup.

Walking through the front door, spied a 63 Karajan Beethoven box and a Gidon Kremer LP plus the system.

This owner added compression tweets with level controls on top of his B&W. What are these? Wife wanted to leave and not look, so we left.

Many of the latest McIntosh including mono blocks. Several pieces not shown, located near the stairs. Lots of moola.

Unfortunately, the room was limited acoustically. And the place was super nice, but beyond our needs.




 

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RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 9, 2017 at 14:19:16
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Not sure what you're looking at, items are very small
in pic. On the top shelf, I do see a pair of gold JBL horn/lenses (used in
the classic Hartsfield home loudspeaker. Not sure what the
round things above it is, probably a tweeter.

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 9, 2017 at 14:34:04
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Lot of money spent on a rather crappy setup. Owner has really compromised performance. Or rather I suspect WAF has compromised the setup.

 

Nice equipment, but..., posted on March 9, 2017 at 14:50:57
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...as others have noted: What a horrible setup! Such a waste.

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 9, 2017 at 14:53:22
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I thought this was going to reveal bizarre " tweets" from POTUS.

 

me too. nt, posted on March 9, 2017 at 15:15:38
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RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 9, 2017 at 15:55:07
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"A fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind.

Will

 

Or the house is staged..., posted on March 9, 2017 at 15:55:13
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...and he had to put his system into an alcove.

At least it didn't have to go in the garage.

 

Please no more...(nt), posted on March 9, 2017 at 15:56:04
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(nt)

 

Devil's advocate ..., posted on March 9, 2017 at 15:56:45
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Yes, the setup appears far from perfect.

But, with a chair pulled up to the area rug (near-field listening) it *might* sound pretty good.

Reach full potential? No. Sound pretty good? Quite possibly.

I've heard many a system that sounded far better than they looked like they should.

That definitely includes mine.

I've heard several high-end systems in "professionally designed and treated rooms" that should have sounded glorious, but instead sucked all the life and joy out of everything played.

I never judge a system until I've heard it.

Just my 2-cents... and worth half what you paid.

Dean.








reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 9, 2017 at 16:48:14
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I don't know if it's the photo, my computer, or my eyes..... The only "tweets" I see are atop those B&W speakers at the back wall........
   

 

There're a pair of big, wide JBL lenses --, posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:04:58
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whether there is anything behind 'em, who knows?

They appear to be gold colored (as some were), not unlike the ones in the image above.


all the best,
mrh

 

I think you nailed it., posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:14:18
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The system has been relegated to its current location to make it unobtrusive in the interest of staging the home for sale. I'm guessing that the owner isn't happy about it, but wants the home to move.

 

+1 -nt, posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:17:59
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RE: Or the house is staged..., posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:18:31
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You may be right. It's hard to tell for sure, but it appears those B&Ws might be wifi connected (no wires). No visible cables anywhere.

 

I'm with Coner, posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:31:11
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they're located on the top shelf inboard of the speakers.

Why would you do such a thing?

 

RE: I'm with Coner, posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:47:38
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I guess they just look cool for now, waiting for that
Hartsfield project in the future, would blow away anything
else he's got. I have black ones, can't seem to fine the goldies.

 

Naw, not big....compared to the monster 2395 horn/lens!. ..n/t, posted on March 9, 2017 at 17:55:28
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n/t

 

point taken -- tho' I am no stranger to large-ish horns :-), posted on March 9, 2017 at 18:06:20
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DSC_6440

:-)

Nothin' "staged" in my hifi room :-/

all the best,
mrh

 

And... I'm looking for a single 2395....., posted on March 9, 2017 at 21:34:50
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horn/lens to match My single. Or even just a lens.

 

I think you're both wrong, posted on March 10, 2017 at 00:36:47
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I can only imaging the number of very high end system sales that end up in similar setups. I'd venture that it's the vast majority.

And, of course, neither of you have actually heard the system.

 

RE: I'm with Coner, posted on March 10, 2017 at 02:46:10
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"Why would you do such a thing?"

Maybe just for show.......
   

 

"just for show" and "McIntosh" - kind of go together ;-) (nt), posted on March 10, 2017 at 03:26:40
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all the best,
mrh

 

RE: "just for show" and "McIntosh" - kind of go together ;-) (nt), posted on March 10, 2017 at 03:45:57
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The custom high-efficiency speakers I attained had Altec "Voice of the Theater" stickers on the sides..... Placed there by the previous owner..... Even though aside from the size and efficiency, there was nothing similar to actual "Voice of the Theater" speakers. (The woofer is Eminence, the tweeter is interchangeable, now with Seismic Audio.) The stickers were there "for show".... I personally didn't like the stickers and removed them.....

I guess visual effect is a part of this hobby..... I like "light shows" (Lava Lamps) personally......
   

 

RE: Or the house is staged..., posted on March 10, 2017 at 04:10:33
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You could well be right although you never know if it could be people with heaps of wonga but poor taste.

I am just so interested that in house hunting the OP came across a proper audio system. I was in between careers some time ago and spent a couple of years as an estate agent ( that's realtor in American) in a relatively well off part of South London bordering Kent. In all of the hundreds of houses and apartments I saw I never came across a single one with anything better in the audio field than an "everything in one box for 200 pounds" Japanese/Korean kind of affair. Always, of course, with the speakers placed in the room corners or hidden away behind the couch. Or the equivalent home theatre set up with all five mini speakers arranged across the top of the TV and sub at the side on the floor.

 

BUT, posted on March 10, 2017 at 05:22:18
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You have a good point, but that requires moving the furniture around. My comment was predicated on the arrangement of furniture in the current position, which means you either sit on the floor, or about 20 feet further back. To me, that seems like a pretty bad arrangement.

 

Just like, posted on March 10, 2017 at 06:02:07
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chrome spinners. Neither is my cup of tea. :)

 

OMG, posted on March 10, 2017 at 08:07:46
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Those people have zero sense of interior design! That pillow, with that sofa, with that rug, and that other rug, and the little framed art on the large walls, and the excessive plants, and, and...

The table and the orchid do look kind of nice together, though.

But, with all mish-mash of furnishings, the elephant in the room is: The one under the table.

My wife sees this sort of thing a lot, and it's almost always an oriental couple who owns it. I'm going to guess Japanese or Thai.

:)

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 08:20:00
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I can only imagine how horrible that setup sounds. There are so many things wrong with that picture, it's hard to know where to start.....

Oz





Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
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Back in 1991..., posted on March 10, 2017 at 08:45:08
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...when I was reviewing for TAS I moved to a new house we built.

Naturally I packed up all my audio equipment and moved it myself in my wife's van.

The mover said he had just moved another guy who had done the same thing and wondered if he could give him my name.

The guy was an audiophile who had read my stuff and we became friends - he became a big part of my listening panel.

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 09:39:03
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This may be a little off topic, but it seems to me posting photos online of the interior of someone's home is out of bounds.

Did you have permission to take pictures and post them online? or were these posted online?

 

Only people who don't have McIntosh, posted on March 10, 2017 at 11:07:48
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trash McIntosh.

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 11:11:03
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they were on line in the realtor's ad for the home. sorry if you took offense, and regrets if I did something wrong.

 

More on subject , posted on March 10, 2017 at 11:36:19
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Thanks for sparking interest

 

hee-hee! au contraire., posted on March 10, 2017 at 11:43:03
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three Mac pieces here -- two are doorstops (MC-2100 and C-28, both dismal sounding pieces to my tastes); and one I use daily.

DSC_7286 (2)

I am speaking strictly of what McIntosh has become, not what they once were.


all the best,
mrh

 

What, no Sonex? Nt, posted on March 10, 2017 at 12:08:22
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Nt

 

Which is why, posted on March 10, 2017 at 12:20:17
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two are doorstops (MC-2100 and C-28, both dismal sounding pieces to my tastes).

After hearing that combination (actually with the gee-whiz metered 2105 flavor), I'm convinced they are dismal for any tastes. Despite that reality, you could get some decent money selling them.

I did enjoy, however, hearing a pair of 2301s driving Magnepan 3.7s at Sea Cliff a while back - after switching off the Cyclops Eyes.

I say Mac should provide one of their towels for every purchase. Not surprisingly, they once put on their website "blue meters are one of our core values". :)

 

and THAT is why :-) , posted on March 10, 2017 at 12:34:09
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I still have them.

"Despite that reality, you could get some decent money selling them."

i.e., just a small, backup insurance plan, don't you know?

The MR-67, though, is very respectable. No plans on selling that.

-- and I wouldn't mind picking up an MC-225 someday. Nicest sounding amp they ever made, as far as I am concerned.



all the best,
mrh

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 12:48:55
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I may have over-reacted; didn't mean to. From the statement "...we were shown some homes" in your original post, it wasn't clear whether you'd visited the property and taken the pictures or perhaps they were posted online.

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 13:10:18
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Never be loose these days. One of twenty odd photos, the one or two showing the JBLs. I was a bit sad that inmates www so critical of the system and the decor. Thanks for your admonition.

 

Yup!..., posted on March 10, 2017 at 13:42:23
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I still have the McIntosh MA5100 integrated amplifier that I used in our master bedroom. Not that I'm complaining, but it serves its purpose well while listening to some late night jazz music on CBC FM station broadcast.


If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)

 

And I am talking about what they are:, posted on March 10, 2017 at 14:10:38
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MC275 Tube Amp
C2500 Tube Preamp/Dac,
MC 6900 Int Amp,
D 150 Dac.
Great stuff all, I love hearing it.
Some of their speakers were fantastic but Expensive 20 years ago.
They've made a lot of stuff, I don't expect All of it is great!
There was a 300 wat Amp I used to lust after, hearing it numerous times in 2 different Stereo Stores, but wouldn't want it today.

 

Best of luck to you, posted on March 10, 2017 at 14:48:24
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with that investment strategy for a dwindling market, i.e. old guys like us. :)

As for me, I've been enjoying what the market has done for my pre-tax investments over the past quarter. :)

 

I have a 2100, posted on March 10, 2017 at 16:16:45
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Built like a Brick S@#*thouse. Sounds like one when used full range. Excels as subwoofer amp driving a pair of AR3a used as subs.

I also have a C28 / 2505 combo that looks great, needs restoration, but are increasing in value as they sit.

One of the best amplifiers I have owned (and heard) was a pair of MC30 that were rebuilt with all new, carefully chosen and close tolerance parts. Absolutely wonderful. I acquired them as part of an equipment lot purchase and had to sell the pr to make the deal work. I still regret the sale 15yrs later.... I sold them to a recording studio in Italy.

New stuff is quite good, but overpriced. Name, look, reputation and "lifestyle" marketing come at a price. That said, many who are unaware of high end audio brands ARE aware of McIntosh and for some it has become an aspiration brand. Condemn Mac for marketing to the hoi polloi but if it also increases awareness of the industry so much the better for all of us.

 

Apparently we have different objectives , posted on March 10, 2017 at 18:06:33
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and sense of aesthetics. :)

I also have a C28 / 2505 combo that looks great...

I confess Mac's "extroverted" styling has never appealed to me. Coupled with poor first generation SS sonics for those models.

I prefer the instrument gear quality, appearance and superior sonics of Audio Research and VTL components having used those brands for decades.

To each his own I guess. :)

Mikey tours Audio Research

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 10, 2017 at 18:47:32
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Would it be possible to email me the link to that home for sale? My other hobby is looking at properties online, that one looks interesting; thanks in adv-


 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 11, 2017 at 05:55:22
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I'm willing to bet that setup is disconnected and merely placed there until the home walk-troughs are completed.
I'd freak out just thinking about folks with kids roaming through the house all day stepping over, kicking apart wires etc -or worse, coming home to find a open infant milk bottle laying across my amp.


 

Any other stereotypes you wish to share with us? nt, posted on March 11, 2017 at 05:59:01
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RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 11, 2017 at 06:03:32
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His wife is probably screamingly hawt and he's been happily conditioned to blindly accept every demand she makes.

It sounds brilliant to him, he's fully bought in to every aspect of its iteration.

He's waaay more concerned with the sound of his trophy wife in his custom bedroom. The absorption muffles the moans and groans and the diffusion deflects any complaints she might have had about the appearance of the sound system in the living room.

He has no man cave with which to relieve his frustration, so he's resigned himself to an excellent sex life in exchange for compromises in his audio set-up.

(hehe)

 

RE: What are those tweets? , posted on March 11, 2017 at 08:48:04
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No, cannot since another respondent complained already even if backed down a bit. Thanx for your perspectives!

 

RE: Any other stereotypes you wish to share with us? nt, posted on March 11, 2017 at 09:19:46
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He just reported on what he's observed. If it happens to fall into the stereotype , well life just works out that way sometimes. I'm sure many of us would fall into some sort of stereotype too.
enjoy,
mark

 

audiophiles? fall into a stereotype?, posted on March 11, 2017 at 11:58:57
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I am shocked, I tell you. Shocked.


all the best,
mrh

 

Schadenfreude - nt, posted on March 11, 2017 at 13:06:42
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.

 

RE: Or the house is staged..., posted on March 11, 2017 at 13:16:41
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That was my point, saw 3 other homes with the stereo or 5 ch setup, one with ceiling and in wall B&W monitors and a Denon receiver with a lot of wiring.

 

RE: I have a 2100, posted on March 11, 2017 at 13:19:21
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Who worked on your MC 30's? I have a pair with a C 20, all in very good shape, not restored yet.

 

Monotype?, posted on March 11, 2017 at 13:39:19
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Well, unless there's another room with the other speaker.

:)

 

:-) (nt), posted on March 11, 2017 at 13:47:31
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all the best,
mrh

 

RE: audiophiles? fall into a stereotype? XD, posted on March 11, 2017 at 14:46:26
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enjoy,
mark

 

I see many there :) -nt, posted on March 11, 2017 at 16:31:43
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RE: audiophiles? fall into a stereotype?, posted on March 12, 2017 at 09:05:31
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That speaker reminds me of something, I just can't figure out what it is :)

 

RE: And... I'm looking for a single 2395....., posted on March 13, 2017 at 10:43:13
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I had a pair years ago, sold them to Japan, sorry. But if you have a single, you know that fabbing up a replacement lens would not be hard, it's all just flat panels and some bolts/spacers.

 

RE: audiophiles? fall into a stereotype?, posted on March 13, 2017 at 10:43:44
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Hey, let's not go slagging Electronluv now, okay? ;-)

 

:-) I wasn't thinking of Electronluv per se, you know? (nt), posted on March 13, 2017 at 16:37:41
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:-)
all the best,
mrh

 

Haven't heard those exact speakers..., posted on March 17, 2017 at 17:29:12
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But I HAVE heard Cogent drivers in various horn configurations a number of times in the past and was still living in Utah when Josh was cobbling together that set of horns.

As far as plasma 'tweeters' go, it doesn't get much better than Acapellas.

From the computer on the floor I'm guessing Steve Shell is setting up a DEQX cross-over which really makes the Cogent drivers/horns come together.

Short version: Yes there are two of them and I'd take them!



 

Ed does fall into certain 'stereotypes'..., posted on March 17, 2017 at 17:47:25
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But not the one likely associated with the system pictured in the original post. :-)





 

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