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Posted on March 18, 2023 at 20:16:47
gonzo
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 I have been away from audio asylum for several years and just recently returned. Looking at this asylum, digital drive, and also at the hi-rez highway asylum, I didn't see much commentary about cd players. I know sales of CD's are way down but is there any place on audio asylum where comments on regular CD players can still be found? Thanks. Norm

 

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RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 18, 2023 at 21:02:13
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 Well, in your absence there's been a major shift by many to streaming services and music servers.(or both) Many of those who are still using CD playback have turned their attention to separate transport and DAC set-ups. There's such a variety of DAC's (and transports) out there that it makes upgrading quite a bit easier than seeking out another one box solution. That said, I'm sure there's still some great CDP's out there, but the numbers are pretty minuscule compared to the number of choices there used to be.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 03:26:31
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 Thanks for the answer. Is there an asylum where cd transports might typically be discussed? Norm

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 05:33:15
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 There have been discussions about making Digital Drive a dedicated CD player and transport forum and moving discussions about "Upsamplers, DACs, jitter, shakes and analogue withdrawals" to PC Audio and changing that name to Digital Audio.

But that'll never happen. And as mentioned, there isn't much traffic regarding CD players or transports these days so the point is probably moot.

 

there isn't much traffic on a few forums so why does it matter? Rod? /nt, posted on March 19, 2023 at 06:01:29
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RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 06:24:35
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 Another reason:

Those who are curious about computer based audio and/or streaming keep posting their questions here instead of in the Computer Audio forum.

The other reason is pretty obvious and you said it yourself:

" I know sales of CD's are way down but is there any place on audio asylum where comments on regular CD players can still be found?"

You can still find the occasional CD Player discussion here but not much.




 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 06:35:37
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 Since I don't have a stand alone dac, is there any way to know how good the transport mech is in an older CD player that has a digital output? As I said I have been out of this hobby for some time, but I do have a lot of cds and wonder if there is a way to "rate". the transport mech in an older self contained CD player. I have a few cd players laying around and assuming they still work, I am guessing that the best transport mech would be the deck to choose to mate with a newer dac. ( assuming it has a digital output that bypasses the dac that is in the machine itself. Norm

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:16:36
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I don't have any experience with dedicated Transports but I have used CD players / CD Disc Changers with Digital Outputs to drive outboard DACs.

Isn't a Transport just a CD Player w/o the built-in DAC? Similarly if a CD Player has digital outputs can't you use it as just a Transport?

According to the marketing docs on my old CDP that I once owned:

Accuphase DP-65V CD Player / Transport:





 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:30:19
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 I ripped all my CDs to my hard drive years ago because I now use a digital audio player (DAP) to listen to all my digital music files. Moreover, I find higher resolution digital formats like DSD and hi-res PCM to sound noticeably better than Redbook CD. Therefore, all my newer music purchases are in higher resolution formats stored on hard drives and/or flash drives.

Happy CD listening!
John Elison

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:30:47
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 That is good to know that at least in a high end CD player they made it clear that the transport apparently could function independently of the inboard dac. I wonder if that was true for all decks that had digital outputs. Thanks.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:35:36
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 Most people don't bring up, or ask about CD players much anymore because when they do , they are usually quickly told to rip all their CDs and stream it. So they are made to feel like if they mention CDs they are stuck in the twentieth-century.

 

A perfect example....nt., posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:37:15
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 Nt.

 

They are utterly obsolete , posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:43:35
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 Why would there be any discussion of CD players in a world where we have multiple optical formats and a few far more versatile options to play back all of those formats using one machine?

The only reason would be if a CD player offered something over the other options in the way of better performance. But they don't. Even the CD players that color the sound deliberately (or accidentally) offer nothing over more modern and more versatile and less expensive means of doing the same thing without a dedicated CD player.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:46:51
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 Well, there's some nice one box CD players still out there. Rega, Luxman,
Sony, Panasonic, Yamaha, Marantz and a few others are making worthwhile units. Personally, I'd like to try the new Luxman units, but I don't have the coin. Jesus hasn't seen fit to tell me the winning numbers for the next powerball drawing ...

Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

 

My question is why don't we gave a dedicated DSP forum?, posted on March 19, 2023 at 07:54:29
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 But I thought no I know the answer. Sadly the ever aging old school audiophile world has failed to keep up on real innovation in audio while chasing their tails in the forms of ever more ridiculous crap like high end power cords and magic rocks:

We probably don't have a dedicated DSP forum because the majority of this forum's membership are still living in the 80s mind set of audio.

There should also be a dedicated listening room/acoustic treatment forum. And these two currently non-existent forums should be the busiest forums on AA

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:06:18
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 There are several different options you can take, depending where you want to go. Generally getting a DAC and transport gives you more flexibility in the DAC implementation and the transport implementation - a cd player is the combination it is with regards to DAC and transport. If the CD player has a digital out jack, it can be a transport, and if it has a digital in it can be a DAC.

Transports and CD players can be quite long lived, aside from perhaps the laser needing to be replaced. Generally the lasers are readily available on eBay or other similar forums, and also pretty easy to install. Some lasers are impossible to find, so useful to see before you invest in a transport or CD player. This site has the info you would need - https://www.dutchaudioclassics.nl/the_complete_d_a_dac_converter_list/

As a data point, I purchased 2 very nice 'broken' CD players, an Audio Note and a Classe, both of which were easily brought back to life with a new laser. Sometimes the electrolytic caps get too old, but on a good unit that is usually not an issue.

Buying used on eBay or another site like Audio Asylum trader is a good option. If you are careful when you buy, you are likely be able to resell at very little loss. Even if you research and pick a transport that is less than ideal in your system, you can return it (eBay if listing allows), or resell it on the market.

Your ability to get a good result with a transport on your dac depends on how good the dac is relative to the transport. If the transport is infinitely good, it will not be able to shine with a weak dac.

If you spot a used DAC or transport you are interested in, do a DuckDuckGo search on the unit - 'xxxxx review'. Many of the posts found will provide many user opinions on performance highlights and issues. A little time spent will have you better informed.

If you want opinions on a unit to get, then post a more specific question requesting a dac or transport recommendation. You will find the streamers rabidly jumping on every transport post here saying how foolish it is go with CDs, and how wonderful streamers are. That drives the serious posters on the topic away - you just need to ignore them.

 

RE: They are utterly obsolete , posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:14:24
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 Just because it's utterly obsolete for you doesn't mean people with thier expensive CD players should just dump them because you must have the latest and greatest flavor of the month.
I see you haven't forsaken analog.

 

The same thing that happened to 8 Track, Cassette and Reel to Reel Discussions ... Vintage is a Good Forum nt, posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:14:49
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 nt



 

Thank you for your thorough repsonse and suggestions, posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:28:27
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Those weren't digital......nt., posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:40:09
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 Nt.

 

Im not suggesting anyone dump something they already own and enjoy, posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:41:36
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 But unless we are talking about nostalgia or audio make believe there's nothing much to talk about when it comes to dedicated CD players

 

RE: The same thing that happened to 8 Track, Cassette and Reel to Reel Discussions ... Vintage is a Good Forum nt, posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:51:26
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 Right on queue !!

Per your 'partner in crime' posted below. Perhaps you can cease to troll every CD post in this forum, and concentrate on your own streaming forum - even if nobody is bothering to post there.

Why do serious posters on CD playback not participate in the discussions ?? Gee, perhaps getting trolled every time by rabid streamer types does not appeal to them. Please, just pee in your own pool.

No need to reply - I have already heard all the inane BS....


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RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players

Posted by AbeCollins (A) on March 19, 2023 at 06:24:35

In Reply to: What happened to discussions of regular CD players posted by gonzo on March 18, 2023 at 20:16:47:

Another reason:

Those who are curious about computer based audio and/or streaming keep posting their questions here instead of in the Computer Audio forum.

The other reason is pretty obvious and you said it yourself:

" I know sales of CD's are way down but is there any place on audio asylum where comments on regular CD players can still be found?"

You can still find the occasional CD Player discussion here but not much.


 

First thing to do since you are so up to date.., posted on March 19, 2023 at 08:59:55
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 Is change your name, it conflicts with your sentiments.

 

listening room forum...great idea, posted on March 19, 2023 at 09:14:32
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 it should be the busiest one every day with the most ideas for improvements, listening positions, speaker positions......



 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 09:25:06
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 You're in the right place. You just have to post any questions specific to your needs.

 

RE: They are utterly obsolete , posted on March 19, 2023 at 11:27:01
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 You're right! You shouldn't dump and expensive CD player that's operational and sounds great.

However, if you don't have an operational CD player, it might be worth ripping your CDs to your computer's hard drive using free software that's available online to allow you to get perfect copies. Then, consider buying a digital audio player (DAP) such as FiiO to play your digital files directly -- no computer required. FiiO DAPs have a micro SD card port, which can accept a 1-TB micro SD memory card full of digital music files. They also connect to the internet via WiFi so you can stream digital music from any of the digital streaming websites. Moreover, they will play all digital formats up through DSD256 directly from their installed micro SD memory card.

The best part is that they sound great!

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 19, 2023 at 12:03:40
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 My Jolida JD100 has the same capability.

Regards,

Steve

 

To you maybe, otherwise that's incorrect... N/T, posted on March 19, 2023 at 12:19:46
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The civilized, respectful, nice, concise answer to an honest question..., posted on March 19, 2023 at 12:24:00
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 No attitude or BLUSTER, just helpful.

Thank you!

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Because..., posted on March 19, 2023 at 12:26:08
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 ...not everybody has decided that streaming sounds better than the spinning disk. That's not to say that I don't stream because I do because of the fantastic ability to find new music, which can lead to more silver discs showing up :-) I'm sure the argument is going to be that any streaming setup I've ever used has been sub-par.

Another factor, having nothing to do with sound quality, is the fact that I just don't care for accessing my music via a computer or smart phone all the time since I spend enough time in front of these things during the day as it is.


voolston - audiophile by day, music lover by night!

 

Obviously not for you, so why butt in?... N/T, posted on March 19, 2023 at 12:26:41
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Butt in? It's an audio forum. Do we need personal invites? , posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:13:56
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 Although I understand that a lot of audiophiles suffer adverse reactions to factual information.

 

No. Everything I said was factually correct nt, posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:16:49
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 Nt

 

Where did I say anything about streaming?, posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:20:27
Analog Scott
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 I asked why would there be any discussion about CD players in an age where we have universal players and universal optical disc readers? And they read and transmit the data on a CD as accurately as any dedicated CD player.

 

My name still works for me, posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:23:50
Analog Scott
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 I still have a preference for vinyl playback

 

You've added NOTHING to the OPs original post..., posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:28:36
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 Neither have I.

At least I'm aware of that.





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Where can I get a magic rock?!! *, posted on March 19, 2023 at 16:55:19
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RE: there isn't much traffic on a few forums so why does it matter? Rod? /nt, posted on March 19, 2023 at 17:28:11
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 Good question. :-)

What's in a name?

The future is now?



 

His original post asked a question and i offered an answer, posted on March 19, 2023 at 19:44:34
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 Just because you didn't like doesn't mean it was wrong of me to say what I said. Are you a forum moderator? Self appointed forum cop? What did your responses to my post contribute?

 

RE: The civilized, respectful, nice, concise answer to an honest question..., posted on March 19, 2023 at 19:46:08
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 You're welcome musetap. Methinks some here at AA take the hobby (and themselves of course) way too seriously.

 

RE: Where can I get a magic rock?!! *, posted on March 19, 2023 at 20:45:53
Analog Scott
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 Same place you can get a magic clock. He sells them in baggies.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 20, 2023 at 07:13:57
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Any CD player with a Digital Output [Coax and/or Optical] can be connected to an outboard DAC. In this configuration the player is essentially just being used as a Transport.



 

You're right. I misunderstood what you wrote., posted on March 20, 2023 at 08:45:36
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 Guess I'm used to spinning disc players being dismissed altogether around here.

voolston - audiophile by day, music lover by night!

 

No worries!, posted on March 20, 2023 at 09:01:31
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 And you won't get any such dismissal from me. There are mastering gems to be found on various CDs, SACDs, BluRay Audio discs and even some DVD-As. Masterings not available from any streaming services.

With that said I do believe multiformat disc players have made CD only players obsolete.

 

I have a Pioneer DV-563A DVD Player, posted on March 20, 2023 at 10:15:28
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 It doesn't have HDMI out, so is somewhat obsolete for video playback. If you find one, they are a good CD player, good at the analog out as well as the digital out.

 

This Was Said About Vinyl 40 Years Ago......., posted on March 20, 2023 at 12:13:56
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 I personally have no use for any comments on "obsolescence"....... More often than not, I prefer the "obsolete" stuff...........

 

RE: This Was Said About Vinyl 40 Years Ago......., posted on March 20, 2023 at 15:39:38
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 I certainly won't argue with your preferences but the people who claimed vinyl was obsolete were in complete denial of the appeal of vinyl. Or were just oblivious to it. This is very much an apples to oranges comparison. Vinyl is a storage medium, CD players are medium playback devices. Totally different. NOTE I did NOT say *CDs* were obsolete.

I said dedicated CD players are obsolete and gave the reasons why.

Vinyl will likely never become obsolete in our lifetimes because nothing will likely fully replace it and offer more on top of it.

Universal optical disc readers and DACs do EVERYTHING a CD player does and more. And you only need one. You don't have to replace an entire collection of LPs, just one CD player.

If you LIKE dedicated CD players instead of universal players that is inarguable. But you no longer *need* a CD player to do pretty much exactly what a CD player does using a universal disc player/reader. You do need the records to do exactly what each record does.

People who were claiming vinyl obsoletion either weren't aware of the nuances of audiophile media or were just being tribalistic toxic fanboys spewing rhetoric in the old and boring debates of digital vs analog/ digital media vs vinyl rivalries

Dedicated CD players are obsolete except in the fulfillment of certain audiophile fetishes and mythologies. So with that caveat I stand by what I said.

 

and all the needles arms and tables sound the same so all we need is an USB equipped plastic spinners , posted on March 20, 2023 at 16:31:32
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 It's not the hobby for rational people and those with extensive CD collections who can be bothered to get their arses from the couch to change the discs are well served by dedicated CD players. The fact that there is increasingly smaller numbers of dinosaurus willing and able to do it does not change the fact that there was little progress in CD playback in last 20 years and some say there is a noticeable regress in equipment people can afford. Not talking about high rez playback

 

But they don't., posted on March 20, 2023 at 18:31:13
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 Turntable/arm/cartridges are transducers. They don't all sound the same. Nor do differently mastered LPs.

"those with extensive CD collections who can be bothered to get their arses from the couch to change the discs are well served by dedicated CD players."

They are BETTER served by multi-format optical players. That was my point from my very first post. That is why CD only players are obsolete.

To make an analogy CD players at this point are the equivalent of a dedicated 7" only turntable. Why would anyone get something like that when 7" records play perfectly fine on standard turntables that play 12" records?

 

I get your point , posted on March 20, 2023 at 20:20:24
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 Should I then get an expensive multi-player and expensive dac just to get passable CD playback when I'm not going to use all the wonders it offers and becomes obsolete within months and require constant firmware update just to run till the moment either company or supplier flips and you have a brick ?

 

My opinion, posted on March 20, 2023 at 20:42:20
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 If you have discs to play you should get an inexpensive Multi-format reader. What DAC you or anyone else gets depends on their set up. But there is no reason to get an expensive one. I use the one in my digital audio interface. None of which will become obsolete anytime soon if at all in my lifetime.

But it really depends on how you are handling the digital side of your system.

No objective reasons for getting anything expensive.

 

RE: My opinion, posted on March 20, 2023 at 21:12:41
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 I respect your opinion and partially share it but it's clear that you never had a good transport in your system. It's an eye opening experience. My former friend asked me to buy Spectral drive for him. So he could hide expense from his wife.( Partial reason he is no longer in a friend zone) One of those moments you hate being poor..meh
And analog ? Once you over cheap and cheerful no matter how much you spend is never enough and always disappointing. It must be the biggest scam in entire Fi sector.

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RE: My opinion, posted on March 20, 2023 at 23:04:50
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 How is it clear that I have never had a good transport? They should have zero effect on the sound and neither of mine do. It's just digital data.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 21, 2023 at 00:51:54
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 I still love CDs and it's my main source but I'm using a last generation CD transport (Audiolab 6000CDT) connected to a last generation DAC. The DAC has a plethora of options including a surprisingly good sounding Bluethoot input that I use when doing chores in the house or when guests are around; generally, when listening not critically, using Spotify which is "good enough" for background music.
I find genuine audiophile streaming appealing but I'm not ready yet to make the jump. As I read here in there, streaming done right - to actually sound better than CD- isn't that straightforward, it's another rabbit hole and my CD source sounds absolutely great to my ears.
I'm also wondering about the day when there will be a planetary system crash, a black out, a general internet failure or whatever similar; as long as there is still electricity, listening to CDs (or vinyles) will still be possible! Now that's bit far fetched but hey, I watch too many sci-fi movies ^^

 

Par for your course, of course... N/T, posted on March 21, 2023 at 13:07:09
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I still use CD players but I never discuss it., posted on March 21, 2023 at 14:26:15
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 I would feel like a Neanderthal dodging the rocks thrown by the Homo-Sapiens.

 

Stone him! Stone him now!, posted on March 21, 2023 at 16:34:40
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I'm in the same rowboat as you..., posted on March 21, 2023 at 16:59:04
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 I LIKE it here!



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RE: Stone him! Stone him now!, posted on March 21, 2023 at 18:38:48
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This is the proper forum for those interested, posted on March 23, 2023 at 12:16:34
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RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 24, 2023 at 18:04:08
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 Great pic! Abe.

 

RE: What happened to discussions of regular CD players, posted on March 24, 2023 at 18:04:48
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 gonzo

CD players are still in talks here and Hi-Rez threads.

 

I've moved on to portable CD players. Nt, posted on March 25, 2023 at 06:07:21
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