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Posted on February 26, 2017 at 15:28:44
bullethead
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I don't know why, perhaps watermarking.

I'm not having it.

 

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RE: tidal sounds like shit, posted on February 26, 2017 at 16:35:31
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I think it sounds great.
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RE: tidal sounds like shit, posted on February 26, 2017 at 20:25:13
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Sounds good to me. But I have gigabit internet.
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RE: tidal sounds like shit - really?, posted on February 26, 2017 at 20:35:46
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I wasn't impressed with 16/44, but the partially unfolded Masters can sound very good.
I got a free three month trial, right after the Masters were released. At first I was a little suspect of them, it kind of seemed like they had done something to just sweeten the sound, but then I listened to enough different artists/bands that I think what I was hearing was, for example the first three Van Morrison LPs and The Doors was, for lack of a better descriptor, a house sound.

If there is any real limitation it is their player. My transport is out for a warranty replacement of the disc drive, after it gets back I will do some direct comparisons. Well as direct as possible, because they could be different versions. Tidal will sometimes have three or four versions of the same album. Sometimes they will be labeled as remastered or deluxe, other times they appear identical.

I heard from a friend, a local dealer we both respect for his golden ears, says the Masters streamed through an Aurender sound better than the CD played on an Audio Research CD9, high praise, as the CD9 is the best CD player I have personally heard.

What are you hearing, comparing, that brought you to the above stated conclusion?

 

yep, posted on February 26, 2017 at 21:04:30
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16/44.1 direct to CD comparison,

midrange seems artifical dullness to it.

used a bunch of sources, macbook usb, sonos connect which was modified and an auralic aries.

cd transport is a basic yamaha CD-S1000 and Auralic vega as the DAC for all of the sources.

 

RE: yep, posted on February 26, 2017 at 23:36:11
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Well, my transport should be back by Friday, once it settles in, I'll do some comparisons.

What about Masters? Did you listen to any of them? If you use the Tidal player, you should be seeing 24/88 or 96 at your DAC.

Are you new to Tidal? There are more settings after you click on your DAC, of course you probably know that, but it is not obvious to everyone. I think I missed it the first time.

 

RE: yep, posted on February 27, 2017 at 04:08:36
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Masters sound pretty good. I used the Meridian Explorer 2 DAC with them.

considering most of the content I listen to is only available as 16/44.1 I still prefer the CD. However the stream is convenient, just not the best compared to physical disc.

 

Sound is okay but, posted on February 27, 2017 at 05:28:03
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they don't seem to have a lot of the artists I listen too.

Sometimes they might have the artist and others maybe only 2-3 tracks.


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Are you using the desktop app?, posted on February 27, 2017 at 05:30:45
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I had no (audio)luck with using Tidal in Chrome, but I have found the desktop app sounds good, at least to my ears on my equipment.

But with all things audio, YMMV.
As my father used to say, "That why Howard Johnson's makes 28 flavors."

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RE: yep, posted on February 27, 2017 at 14:57:49
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Have you tried partially unfolded through Vega DAC?

Playing the partially unfolded MQA files through by Lindemann, well depending on the original recording, some do sound really good.

I do wish I could bypass the Tidal player, but Roon is too expensive, and JRiver doesn't have any plans for Tidal. I did some reading, and apparently JRiver had done a lot of work to integrate, and Tidal said no.

Roon must have paid enough for them to allow it.

 

RE: yep, posted on February 27, 2017 at 15:38:39
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Tidal MQA through their player into my Dragonfly Black sounded really good. The 16/44.1 not as much, but still better than any other streaming. I gave up on CD a while ago, but as I said elsewhere, maybe I needed to get a better DAC.

Vinyl Rules! (ducks)

 

used to, posted on February 27, 2017 at 16:58:48
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I cancelled Tidal, I used to use their Mac app. Just not worth it for the money for me, Your results may vary :)

 

RE: yep, posted on February 27, 2017 at 20:13:11
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You haven't updated your system since 2007, so it's hard to say. To get the best out of CDs, I believe everything matters. That means a good transport or all in one player. If separates then a good cable, preferably an I2S connection.

It is the same thing with Tidal, with partially unfolded MQA, and a good clean connection,or full MQA DAC like a Mytek, it can be totally enjoyable audio.

Right now I prefer CDs or downloads through JRiver, to Tidal's 16/44, but having all that music available is very cool. I think if you aren't using it to listen to music you already have, it is easier to enjoy. Kind of like ignorance is bliss.
If you only listen to audiophile quality recordings, you miss out on a lot good, but sometimes poorly recorded music. To me it is about the music first. And with the right gear, bad recordings are still worth listening to.

 

RE: yep, posted on February 28, 2017 at 04:58:33
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yes, tried the partial unfold on the Vega. Does not sound as good as the Meridian Explorer 2.

I subscribe to Deezer Elite, and will stick with it instead.

 

same here, posted on February 28, 2017 at 05:00:11
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very limited selection, lots of indie labels are N/A

 

Maybe he just needs a 'better' DAC?, posted on February 28, 2017 at 09:21:54
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One with more expensive DAC chips and LOTS of them!!!



 

Wow $70 each!!!!, posted on February 28, 2017 at 12:52:16
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That is expensive!


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My Audio-GD Master 7 uses EIGHT of them..., posted on February 28, 2017 at 15:15:04
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while my Audio-GD Master 11 Headphone/DAC uses only FOUR.

Cheap Chinese DACs indeed!






 

RE: My Audio-GD Master 7 uses EIGHT of them... MINE TOO, posted on February 28, 2017 at 15:24:44
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And so does my Audiogd Ref 7. But my Audiogd Ref 5 only has four.

So that's 20!
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RE: My Audio-GD Master 7 uses EIGHT of them... MINE TOO, posted on February 28, 2017 at 15:40:02
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Make that My Audio-GD Reference not Master 7.

I bought the Master 11 first and it never made it into my main system as it sits next to my easy chair in the living room hooked up to laptop and headphones.

So I bought the Ref. 7 for the main system.

I get the nomenclature mixed up sometimes.

But lots of PCM1704U-K in the house, that's for certain.







 

Thats Great!, posted on February 28, 2017 at 15:49:25
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I've been using Audiogd products for a long time. Over the years they've made a lot of unique one-off products.

I ended up with a complete Master series set-up Dac, Pre, and Amp. But to me the jewels of Audiogd are my desktop Roc -headamp/preamp and the Ref 5.

Don't use my Ref7 so much anymore and I've sold off my Audiogd Sabre stuff.


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RE: tidal sounds like shit - Updated Thoughts, & You May Be Right, posted on March 1, 2017 at 15:41:47
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I think I had said I was happy with the quality of Masters, but that I thought a good transport with the CD was still better than Tidal's 16/44.

It has been brought up that the versions Tidal has may be different and that may be it, or they are transferring CDs, rather than the files used to make those CDs. Or it is their player, and Roon may be necessary to get the best out of Tidal.

Last night I found that Tidal had a number of Juliana Hatfield CDs, and her former group the Blake Babies "God Bless The Blake Babies".
When I played " God Bless" on Tidal it was bad. I have a copy that was ripped and burned about 12+ years ago. And it was done on a desktop using whatever software came with it. I had expected the Tidal version to be better, well the CD on my Lindemann 825 just sounds so much better.

I have heard a few audiophiles claim that Tidal 16/44 is superior to their rips. I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that.

I imagine that the new MQA releases have been carefully processed and chosen to get Masters off the ground, while their other content is not getting the best versions.

I was disappointed with the first 16/44 file I heard, but not knowing the recording, I had no reference.

I am beginning to think that other than Masters, Tidal may only be of use as background music, and to audition potential purchases.

Bullethead, thanks for prompting me to look/listen deeper.

 

RE: tidal sounds like shit - Updated Thoughts, & You May Be Right, posted on March 1, 2017 at 17:22:39
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ok, you are welcome.

put it this way with a CD player like you have I would stick to it.

I found nothing on Tidal worth it, even Deezer Elite for me at lossless sounds ok, but nothing beats the CD.

Perhaps we are starting another "nutter" situation, similar to how I view the Vinyl types. I stick to digital, CD specifically, perhaps perfect sound forever.

I do like the masters, if everything was that way I wouldn't say anything :)

 

RE: tidal sounds like shit - Updated Thoughts, & You May Be Right, posted on March 4, 2017 at 08:46:49
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I use an Audionote transport feeding an Audio-GD master7 dac to play CDS.
Tidal sounds just as good. I feed Tidal via there app directly from a Macbook Pro. The Mac feeds an Intona galvonic Isolater which feeds a xingser USB converter. The converter via I2S feeds the Master 7. I have several friends that stream Tidal and they love the content and the sound
Alan

 

RE: Wow $70 each!!!!, posted on March 4, 2017 at 09:02:17
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Thats why manufacturers went to Delta/Sigma chips. They are cheap
Alan

 

RE: Wow $70 each!!!!, posted on March 4, 2017 at 09:29:30
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I agree.

I think R2R is the new hot thing now!

Re: Holo Spring Dac, AudioGD Singularity 19, DENAFRIPS 'ARES' R2R....etc


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