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Chinese Product Bashing

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Posted on January 12, 2017 at 08:38:30
Inmate51
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Why?

It's not as if China/Taiwan is forcing us to buy their stuff. WE, the U.S. consumer and the government we elect, drive this dynamic.

Further, stuff made in China/Taiwan isn't necessarily inferior to stuff made elsewhere. Some is, some isn't.

Who doesn't get that?

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RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 12, 2017 at 08:53:56
Hornlover
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China and Taiwan certainly have the ability to make good stuff. Its consumer demand for the cheapest price that makes so much stuff junk. It gets to the point of being difficult to tell which is which.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 12, 2017 at 10:57:53
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>WE, the U.S. consumer and the government we elect, drive this dynamic.>

Actually it's the businesses and corporations who want to cut costs and increase profits that drive this dynamic.

 

In the case of Wlmart, yes..., posted on January 12, 2017 at 11:31:24
Ivan303
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Not the case for folks like me, who buy directly from Chinese manufacturers.

Or in the case of my amps, for a kit builder in Hong Kong you sourced his gear from the mainland.

But yes, there are a number of US and European manufacturers who do little more than design, engineer and assemble their gear from parts sourced from Asia.







 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 12, 2017 at 14:22:41
Inmate51
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Business always wants to cut costs and improve margins. That is part of running a business.

But that is a different issue from Chinese product bashing.


 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 12, 2017 at 14:23:54
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...sorry, I was talking about products manufactured in China by American companies.

 

SAme with Japanese stuff in the 1950's.. By the 1970's, NO ONE was laughing anymore. nt, posted on January 12, 2017 at 16:53:41
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If it's too good to be true, it ain't, posted on January 13, 2017 at 00:58:47
Frihed89
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My only beef are SET amps that look like a Mercedes Benz, inside and out, and sell for under $500.

You can't judge the performance quality an amp by looking at pretty pictures, but its price will tell you a lot.

 

That may be correct..., posted on January 13, 2017 at 09:56:57
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but if enough consumers decided not to buy goods manufactured in China, and were willing to pay a little more for goods manufactured in the U.S., cutting into corporate profit margins, creating an incentive for manufacturers to manufacture in the U.S., more would do so. At the end of the day, it is the consumer who drives the train and votes with his or her wallet.

 

Consumers are primarily self-interested...(nt), posted on January 13, 2017 at 10:19:36
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No doubt...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 10:47:36
jamesgarvin
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So are businesses. My only point was that consumers ultimately drive the train, and placing the entire blame on businesses for goods manufactured in China leaves out half the equation.

 

Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 13, 2017 at 18:58:33
Atwood
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I don't want to support a repressive government and its cyber-hacking island-building military, its unfair trade policies and its industries' intellectual property theft.

I don't have much of a problem with made in Taiwan.

I know it's impossible to be China-free but it is something that strongly affects my buying decisions. It's one (small) reason I went with Ayre and ATC, my latest large audio purchases.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 14, 2017 at 10:30:06
fantja
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I, for one, do not buy any gear junk-sourced to china.
We have phenomenal companies and gear here in America and in the EU.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 14, 2017 at 23:43:04
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I blame a company Sam Walton touted as the original "Made in USA" retail store which was turned into the extreme opposite by those who did not follow his philosophy. Sam Walton would turn in his grave if he knew what happened to Walmart. To blame China for the things that are involved the global economy is a limited view. If not China, it happens elsewhere. Perhaps next it will be Africa that will provide low-cost prices in the future. Based on how many parts made in China that are involved in the production of various audio gear, what dictates what made in North America or the EU really means at this point? To a certain degree, I consider a Chinese product of good quality to be an option that can be purchased at a wholesale price point, while a North American or EU product must be worthy of its retail price, even though Chinese parts may be fully involved in its manufacturing process in order to be worthy of the extra expense. At this time, I fully enjoy Chinese power supply units and DACs with only a margin of consumer guilt due to the fact that, like most western audiophiles, I would rather not purchase anything from anywhere else than my own backyard, for patriotic if not from a human rights perspective. It's an empty gesture to boycott Chinese products, since the cat is fully out of the bag, at this point.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 15, 2017 at 01:14:05
RGA
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"I don't want to support a repressive government and its cyber-hacking island-building military, its unfair trade policies and its industries' intellectual property theft."

So that rules out the US too then.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 15, 2017 at 03:49:42
A.Wayne
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Its not an Island ... :)

 

Empty gestures, posted on January 15, 2017 at 18:14:00
Atwood
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To support American (or western) companies whenever possible (or feasible) is not an empty gesture IMO. I don't think of this as a boycott, but rather supporting your community, similar to buying locally.

I agree Walmart has a lot to answer for.

 

RE: Empty gestures, posted on January 16, 2017 at 19:28:34
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Hi Atwood,

I understand it's not an empty gesture to buy locally, in fact it's very respectable and I try to contribute to high-minded notions including buying organic products if not only to support the salvation of small business farmers, who might otherwise go out of business if not for the support of a more expensive marketplace that provides a profitable living income for those involved. But like the typical added expense of organic products, I can't always afford to buy premium-priced audio devices, but I don't hold-back in buying premium audio products when I can not only afford them, but when they offer outstanding performance that's worthy of the extra expense. In many but not in all cases, you often get what you pay for.

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 17, 2017 at 06:47:18
raya
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true

 

While I've not participated in any Chinese product bashing, posted on January 17, 2017 at 07:44:42
4everyoung
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the information shared recently on this forum by Charles Hansen has inspired me to look elsewhere for a few recent product purchases.

 

RE: Chinese Product Bashing, posted on January 17, 2017 at 10:00:17
jygesq
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If there is a competitive US product,I would a do buy them first. Example my Infinity RSII speakers, 1981 manufacture made in USA. 1997 Acurus A250 power amp.made in US. For preamp, I bought a Yamaha cx-2. Made in Japan. for TT Yamaha Px-3 made in japan. There was at that time no US product that fit my needs. Chinese junk no. It is bad enough now, you can not buy anything that is not made there.

 

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