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Weekend at Harry's

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Posted on February 28, 2011 at 18:30:03
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When I was in college in the 70s, I worked part time at a hi-fi shop in Atlanta. While I never made much money, what I did find proved to be far more valuable over time. It was through that association I met a number of people who became good friends and mentors to this young audio enthusiast. John Cooledge (former TAS writer JWC) would periodically come by the shop and invite the guys over to his house to sample his latest audio goodies. It was then and there I developed my fondness for electrostats with his Dayton-Wrights. It is also where I met Harry Pearson. Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to visit Sea Cliff numerous times and just got back from a long weekend there.

These visits have always been learning experiences along with providing aural, visual and culinary delights. Every time serves to recalibrate my perspective of what audio and video systems can do and each time I marvel at what is available today. I’ve been to a number of audio shows, but they really do not provide an ideal environment to get the full measure of what the best systems can do. I wish others could share in my fortune and experience the same exposure to a world that I would otherwise not really know. From the outset, what you will find is that all three of his systems are phenomenally transparent. I do not use that adjective lightly. Play any piece of music that you know intimately and you will hear detail that you’ve never heard before. You find yourself rediscovering your old friends. While the exact make up of his systems constantly change, what remains constant is the level of quality. I’m not suggesting that he alone has found the “best”, but whatever you do find delivers spectacular performance. In 1980, the IRS system defined for me the concept of “authority”. The 2000 Nola Grand Reference system was the first system I heard that truly made the walls disappear. The current Scaena system adds better coherency - especially at the bottom where the four “depth charge” subs offer no excuses for any subterranean content you care to throw at them.

What triggered this post was some observations over at planar about the new Magnepan 3.7s. He has a pair in room 2 and I spent a lot of time listening to them both with HP and Mike Hobson (of Classic Records and HRT fame) and by myself. One of my challenges has always been to understand the capabilities of his systems. To that end, I always bring a collection of CDRs to help calibrate my ears to exactly what I’m hearing. It was also in that room that I spent a lot of time evaluating the 20.1s a number of years ago. So, how good are the 3.7s? Exceptionally so. I confess to having a particular passion (fanaticism?) about coherency which is why I like full range electrostats. Magneplanar ribbon tweeters have always offered extended response and “sweetness”, but have sometimes come across to me as belonging to a different speaker than the rest of the “quasi” ribbon drivers. The 3.7s impress me as closing that gap between earlier Maggies and single driver based systems. Here you find a speaker that is exceptionally coherent throughout its range. I should mention that hearing tri-amped Tympani IIIs in 1974 was a turning point in my audio awareness. At the time, they brought me closer to realizing my perspective of how a speaker should disappear and sound like live music. 3.7 shortcomings? They are few and expected given the physical constraints of the design: the bottom octave hasn’t fully reported for duty and image height (not depth) is slightly limited as compared with what floor to ceiling line sources can do. And I found the system just a bit bright for my tastes. I will be quick to admit that I don’t find systems which are measurably flat on top to sound truly natural to me. Wendell put 1.2 ohm attenuators on the tweeters. I might opt for a slightly different value. Let me also suggest that you consider using high quality fuses. I use Hi-Fi Tuning fuses in the backplates of my Sound Labs and HP was using Furutechs in the Maggies. I think they are a must to maintain the transparency of high performance speakers of all flavors. Other than that, the speakers offer no excuses. Which - in a sense creates a bit of a quandary and illustrates a realization that I have come to understand in the past couple of years. I find that I am arguing with myself. My mentors drilled into me the concept of starting with and building a system around the very best speaker you could find that fits your set of compromises. Source and electronics are important, but it is the speaker that rules. As of late, I find that I have turned closer to becoming a “Linnie” understanding that the source is what really determines the quality of everything that follows. These speakers assert that position. What I heard was an $85k analog and digital front end driving them to an exceptionally high level of transparency. Unfortunately, my guess is that many happy buyers of them will never fully appreciate their full potential. The big Scaenas offer more scale and bass power, but speak no more faithfully to the musical truth. That is saying something for the comparatively modest price they command. They can show you all the magic that is the EMM Labs XDS1 player or a VPI Classic with a Benz using the Veloce electronics playing one of Mike’s best recordings. I heard one of those incredibly realistic sounding recordings that you’ll read about in part II of HP’s assessment of the speakers. While I wasn’t able to directly compare them to the 20.1s (which I did hear in the MC/HT system), my take is they give up only some scale and a bit of first octave bass. Bottom line is that I could find myself quite happy with a pair.

As a videophile as well, no visit would be without sampling the HT system. This is a projection system using a three gun Sony unit on a 100 odd inch screen using a very nice audio system sourced by a Krell processor, Oppo player, Edge electronics, and a mix of Magneplanar 20.1s for the front, the latest CCRs (?) for center and 3.6s in the rear supplemented with three Nola Thunderbolt subs. Picture quality and color saturation is beyond belief. What struck me most, however, was the sound. Here are two instances. One night, I played Twister with Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton and I heard something that I’ve never heard before and hope I never hear live. Have you ever been to Disney and ridden the “Tower of Terror”? If you have, you know that there is a time when your car falls without warning. While you can intellectualize that you are on a completely safe ride, there is a split second during the “fall” when your primal instincts kick in and you find yourself in true fear. I felt a similar reaction viewing the movie on the Maggie system. There were two instances where you could hear truly unsettling sounds from the shrieks and growls of extreme wind found near a tornado. The instinctual feeling of fight-or-flight kicked in for an instant and I wanted to get the hell out of there! I had never before heard those exact sounds nor felt that sensation before then. And I never want to again for real. On another night, I was channel surfing on Dish Network and found Avatar in 5.1 HD. Say what you will about the story line, but the effects and the spectacular alien landscape are worth the viewing. Later in the film, there is a scene where Jake is riding Toruk (as “Toruk Makto”) with other Ikran flying about. I have seen the film countless times in IMAX 3D, other theatres and at home and have never heard the sound of the wings beating in the air sounding so realistic and utterly natural. Truly amazing.

Finally, I always enjoy sampling the Sea Cliff area Japanese restaurants for sushi. If you enjoy such and are ever in that area, I heartily recommend going to kiraku. The salmon sake sashimi melts in your mouth and I was introduced to a new treat – thinly sliced scallop sashimi. That was positively wonderful in its delicacy. High definition sushi nicely complemented the other sensual delights.

rw

edit: For any of you who would like to be an audio reviewer, its a lot of work. Harry has a two car garage and for at least thirty years it has housed audio boxes, not his car. A French made CD player needed to be returned and he asked if I could re-box the unit. No problemo. First of all, the player had the weight of a sumo. I got the huge box and wondered why the box itself weighed so much. The answer is that inside was a metal suitcase with fitted inserts for the player and accessories. That made packing the suitcase pretty easy. It didn't, however, reduce the task of putting the combined bulk into the outer carton. It came with a clever T-handled rope and plastic sled that fit underneath the unit to assist with the hoisting. You could then pick up everything with four handles. Ideally, however, with two guys. It was then I remembered an old audio store trick and decided it would be easier to put the box on the player than doing it the other way around. Also, I moved a phono preamp from room #2 into room #3. So how much can a phono preamp weigh? When it comes in two pieces and looks like and has the heft of monoblock amplifiers, the answer is a bunch. You'll have to wait to hear about this unit.

 

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RE: LOL, posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:19:49
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My take on HP is much like yours. I subscribed to TAS with Issue 2 after seeing the ad in the back of Audio -- in those days I had a subscription to Stereophile and Audio and was a student member of the AES so got the journal, not sure if I still subscribed to Stereo Review or High Fidelity at that point. I soon learned that HP was an astute observer who heard what I did on equipment that I owned and with which I was intimately familiar, as well as someone who had tastes similar to my own. And like Gordon Holt, he was frank. I really dislike the Julian Hirsch "read between the lines to discover what I really think of this" business: I read reviews to find out which pieces of gear are worth a listen, not to hear everything praised. But even more than that, I've never bought the notion that audio is a matter of taste and that there's no "absolute sound." What I'm looking for is equipment that reproduces the original performance as accurately as possible. And HP, like JGH, took that as his core philosophy.

I have the same problem you do with the absence of measurements in TAS. But that, curiously, didn't bother me back in the day, perhaps because the then-underground concept of actually listening to the equipment under test was so compelling to a kid who was just discovering that there was more to good sound than response curves. Arguably, today's Stereophile, with its mix of subjective reviews and measurements, hits the right balance here.

Agree with you about the value of used equipment. Progress is incremental. Arguably, in the case of preamps and amplifiers, it has been some years since there was real progress at all. Still, I understand the desire of some people to have the latest and greatest. I certainly feel it myself, and sometimes succumb.

On the other hand, I think the high end audio community has pretty assiduously rejected some of the real improvements that have come along, particularly surround and digital speaker and digital room compensation and crossovers. And I think we have to look seriously at the cost/benefit ratio of much of what we do in high end audio, because our priorities are askew. We throw thousands of dollars at tweaks that produce results that are so subtle that their very existence is controversial, while ignoring technological changes that have major and obvious sonic benefits. Not that I can hold myself up as an example, or exception: I experimented with four and even heard 16 channel sound 35 or 40 years ago, and still, after all these years, I'm listening to two.

 

RE: Just looked it up, posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:56:24
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Whoa, now you have me curious. If I had $150 I didn't want, I'd go see what you said.

So $150,000 gross? I don't know anything about the economics of magazine publishing, but it sounds like it could support HP.

 

RE: "Christian Distributivism" is the "Business Model", posted on March 6, 2011 at 11:30:16
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If I had a spare million or two, I'd bankroll it myself. Unfortunately, my 747 needs an overhaul.

Has there been piracy of Stereophile and TAS? Of course, with their subscription prices being what they are, they're almost free; a newsletter might be a more tempting target. OTOH, as you point out, an HP newsletter would appeal mostly to us boomers. I'm not sure there are many middle-aged audiophiles out there who are into posting pdf's on torrent sites. I can see people sharing the occasional issue with a friend, but that happens with print, as well.

Anyway, you know far more about the practicalities of magazine publishing than I do. I know that HP started TAS on a shoestring, and marketed it with a classified ad in the back of Audio. But I suspect that sort of bootsrap operation is easier when you're young and not particularly worried about keeping a roof over your head. OTOH, I think HP's name recognition would be a huge advantage. Sure, he'd be appealing to an older demographic, but word spreads quickly in the Internet era and he's a known quantity. And I don't think he'd have to imitate the breadth of coverage of Stereophile and TAS in a new publication. Rather, I was thinking of their underground days as the model. As you pointed out, his demographic -- really, the entire high-end audio demographic -- is fading, at the same time as the Internet is competing with print publications. It's hard to see how HP could start a large, mainstream publication in such a market. This wouldn't be for kids, who I'm increasingly convinced will have to develop their own high end from the technology they use, but rather for established audiophiles.

But, again, you know much more about the practicalities than I do. I'm just someone who wishes he had a better platform than his few pages in TAS.

 

RE: LOL, posted on March 6, 2011 at 12:40:24
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I will not make an argument regarding the digital processing capabilities in today's PC and standalone crossover/EQ. I have been sitting on the fence on applying these for the last 3+ years. I have advised others on applying the Behringer DCX and coupling it with passive high frequency crossover components to extract the max from recordings. That since ADA paths still make a distinct impact on analog sources in the upper reaches. Typically, the reconstituted music sounds like the DAC more so than it sounds like the original.

I have used White Instruments passive LR only cut only EQ, which I still have but don't use anymore. Despite very good transparency, it is thin in the upper mids and treble, and slightly wooly in the bottom octave. You have probably come across these units before. Commonly used in the day for mastering EQ etc.

I have not tried to listen to a well set up music multichannel since my fiasco of an experience at our local best dealer. So you know I am not there on the page with you, but probably more so from lack of exposure than familliarity breeding contempt.

Re reliance on reviews, see my post at this URL, and see if you approve.

 

1973 vs. 2011... . (and a COOL IMAGE), posted on March 6, 2011 at 13:26:12
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I don't disagree with anything you say, I just have a slightly different perspective.

HP started TAS in 1973 though he might have started publicity in 1972. You must remember that back then it was before: personal computers, video games, portable phones (except for the very wealthy). Videocassettes were three years in the future, and took about 10 years to become widespread. Cable TV had very little of high quality on it, it was mostly for people who had bad TV reception as opposed to an enhancement over broadcast TV in terms of programming.

On Tuesdays, new LPs would hit the store shelves. People listened to FM radio to learn about music they would want to buy. There was not much talk radio, and new acts and non-commercial music still had a chance because mega-networks like Clear Channel didn't exist. College kids wanted to have the best stereo on their dorm corridor.

An important aspect of it was, I am totally serious, social mores about dating and mating and marriage. If a girl went up to a guy's room and all there was was a bed, she might be labelling herself as a girl of easy virtue. But if there was a nice stereo and a Miles Davis or Glenn Gould LP, they were cultured. "Aspirational" magazines such as Playboy, starting in 1959, would run several features a year (main article, Holiday gift guide, Father's Day gift Guide) that implanted the idea that "the good life" included a stereo. Not today. Today, it's the freak-show aspect: look how much that stuff costs.

I attach a link to my Stereophile AWSI that puts forth the notion that the Golden Age of Hi-Fi (1946-circa 1992) was in large part the result of a one-off demographic and social confluence. Things are different now. The largest change being that listening to music used to be a social event (I will try to load an image--yes, from the 78 rpm era),



a shared opportunity to sit down and shut up and pay attention to music, whereas now it is something you do alone while doing something else, like reading your text messages or treadmilling.

Audio magazine, of course, is out of business. But let's say that when HP ran classified ads in Audio, its circulation was 300,000. If he got 2% of those to subscribe (a very high response to a direct-marketing campaign), he had 6,000 subscribers. Let's say TAS has 30,000 subscribers today. 2% of those is 600, which is not enough to make a go of it. All those numbers are total guesses. Perhap a new HP magazine would attract 3,000 subscribers, but I have a lot of trouble believing that it could attract 10,000 subscribers, especially if it was priced high enough to run without ads. Because a lot of people yearn for the TAS of old without ads, but I doubt they want to pay $125 or $150 a year!!!!!

Another factor is that compared to 1973, when startup audio companies were the rule, and computers were only at universities and many of the loudspeaker designs were laughable by today's standards, putting together a good stereo was hit or miss, while today, the sound of entry-level components is good and most high-end equipment is rather wonderful. Lots of people who passionately care about music have bought their "final" stereo. "The hobby" in that regard is a victim of its own success. We don't need a New Moses to lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land.

All the best,

JM



 

How 'bout we split the cost?, posted on March 6, 2011 at 14:35:24
Just kidding. But if there were pictures involved, I'd seriously consider it.

:-)

 

RE: Just looked it up, posted on March 6, 2011 at 15:04:24
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>So $150,000 gross? I don't know anything about the economics of magazine publishing,
>but it sounds like it could support HP.

Except that with the HiFi Critic, printing, paper, and distribution costs eat away at that
gross. You need to publish on the Web, but then you run up against the mantra that
"content wants to be free." Even an icon like HP wouldn't be able to charge $150/year
for a downloadable newsletter.

You asked in another recent message:

>Has there been piracy of Stereophile and TAS? Of course, with their subscription prices
>being what they are, they're almost free; a newsletter might be a more tempting target.

Even though our subscription price is low and we make most of Stereophile's content
available on our website free of charge (though not "day and date"), we do suffer a
piracy problem. Every issue is available from bit torrent sources within hours of it being
mailed to subscribers. One estimate was that as any as 15,000 pirated copies of
Stereophile (complete with ads) are downloaded each month. :-(

John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile

 

Pictures..., posted on March 6, 2011 at 17:03:10
mkuller
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...of what - Harry sitting there contemplating the sound?

Of the set up in his rooms?

Maybe of his set-up man tweaking the equipment?

 

RE: 1973 vs. 2011... . (and a COOL IMAGE), posted on March 6, 2011 at 17:17:14
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Yes that is indeed a cool image, you don't see beer glasses like that much anymore... Was that Eico equipment?

"Golden Age of Hi-Fi (1946-circa 1992)"

Exactly, the Hi-Fi boom was congruent with the baby boom so there's a whole glut of us with the same fascination that enjoy chatting about it on AA. Since we were formed by the unusual conjunction of successfully completing a war and the commercialization of the new field of electronics it's probably just hubris to think that subsequent generations should share our tastes.

Even though we haven't done so well in the war department, to this day Electronics continues to be a large driver of culture.

But it's not OUR Electronics and the hard core yet cling to their tubes, records and horn speakers and will be probably be laid to rest with a 6SN7 in each hand and a mint copy of the Dark Side of the Moon on their chests. Boy will the anthropologists have a hay-day with that one. "It's got to be some sort of religious/sex fetish thing, it's just gotta be!".

And of course they're right...

Regards, Rick

 

Where do they get it from?, posted on March 6, 2011 at 17:18:22
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I downloaded one just to see what it was, and it was the real deal. Everything was perfect. Somebody with access to the original computer (PDF?) files put it out there. Where is the leak?

 

Great posting, thanks., posted on March 6, 2011 at 17:59:28
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The image is from a stock art company, and it is indexed under "Food and Drink."

Yes, I am sure it is Eico, but it was not an Eico ad. It could be cheesecake-free calendar art.

JM

 

RE: Where do they get it from?, posted on March 6, 2011 at 18:43:39
With all the highly classified material that gets distributed it is clear that nothing would be sacred. It is a shame that hard work gets pirated. It would be fitting that those doing the pirating would be caught and processed to the full extent of the law, but I would not bet on it after what we all see going on now.

 

Your arrow missed the mark!, posted on March 6, 2011 at 19:21:52
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>> TAS has always gushed over the DQ-10, going so far as to rate it one of "The 12 Most Significant Loudspeakers of All Time" (TAS 205). A bit self-serving, don't you think? <<

I think that the DQ-10 was deserving of the award. On the other hand there were several choices that were obviously self-serving. (Speaker-of-the-month-club choices from Jonathan "Sticky Fingers" Valin that needed a little more bolstering than just his pandering reviews.)

 

RE: 1973 vs. 2011... . (and a COOL IMAGE), posted on March 6, 2011 at 19:43:20
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JM- your understanding of the social piece may be accurate for a limited demographic during the late '40s,'50s and early '60s, , but is sorely inaccurate for the youth/musical culture of the '60s onward. I have no idea about what world you inhabited during the '60s, but it is non representational of the youth culture world inhabited by that piece of the baby boomers.

 

Straw man., posted on March 6, 2011 at 20:35:57
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"How a component is supposed to sound pales in comparison to how it actually sounds."

Who says otherwise?

Wilma Cozart Fine was talking about making recordings, not reviewing equipment. I have no idea what sort of controls she used to remaster the old Mercury recordings for CD or whether she ever used blind testing. I suspect any differences she was concerned with were well above thresholds.


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Actually, not a man of any composition, posted on March 7, 2011 at 06:42:39
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I was referring to HP's speech that you linked. If the measurements crowd claim that a component should sound like one thing and it sounds like another, there's a problem with the measurements somewhere.

Sorry - how did Wilma Cozart Fine enter into the discussion? If you made an earlier point about her, I missed it.

 

RE: Where do they get it from?, posted on March 7, 2011 at 07:12:17
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>I downloaded one just to see what it was, and it was the real deal.
>Everything was perfect. Somebody with access to the original computer
>(PDF?) files put it out there.

Yes, it looks as if the pirated version is prepared from the same hi-rez
pdfs we send to the printer and Zinio. These are not cheesy scans from
the paper magazine.

> Where is the leak?

Our management is investigating because the leak must either be from
the pre-press department or the printer. All we have found out so far
is that the sources for the pirated version(s) are sites in Spain and
the Ukraine. While these sites have sent "cease and desist" letters,
enforcing copyright in those countries is, I am told, very difficult.

John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile

 

RE: Actually, not a man of any composition, posted on March 7, 2011 at 08:24:05
Pat D
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HP quoted Wilma Cozart Fine in one of the Keynote addresses.

Measurements by themselves do not say anything about audibility. To do that, they must be correlated with controlled listening tests to find some sorts of thresholds.
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RE: Where do they get it from?, posted on March 7, 2011 at 08:44:15
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>> Our management is investigating because the leak must either be from
the pre-press department or the printer. <<

Shoot, that's easy. Just send Luigi out to break a few kneecaps.

Or if you want to be civilized, you go to both places and tell them if this happens again that you will switch companies. They will find the guy for you and fire them, as losing Stereophile would also mean losing forty other titles. Money talks...

 

Ah - thanks!, posted on March 7, 2011 at 09:14:55
kerr
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Went back and caught that the second time around.

>Measurements by themselves do not say anything about audibility. To do that, they must be correlated with controlled listening tests to find some sorts of thresholds.<

Aside from our definitions of "controlled", we agree.

 

$150/yr for a downloadable jnewsletter?, posted on March 7, 2011 at 09:25:44
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"Even an icon like HP wouldn't be able to charge $150/year for a downloadable newsletter."

Probably true. I pay $129/yr. for a downloadable Wall Street Journal.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

RE: Where do they get it from?, posted on March 7, 2011 at 15:09:35
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Hi,

I actually about this a number of months ago. My thoughts are in an article linked below called "The Future of Print Magazines is Online and Free." In my opinion, stopping pirating will be as successful as what's happening with the music industry. I know a few publishers and all their content has ended up online. In one instance, THREE WEEKS before the newstand date!

DS @ SoundStageNetwork.com

 

yes it does, posted on March 7, 2011 at 18:12:21
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My friend works (and now supervises) pre-press for a large printer in Colorado. Threats of lost business are taken very seriously, especially as a result of security concerns or employee mistakes.

 

RE: Weekend at Harry's - I share in the excitement - , posted on March 9, 2011 at 14:17:54
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I, admittedly, haven't read all the responses here, but those here that know me know that meeting Harry as a teenager changed the course of my life (and some would argue for better or for worse - LOL - leading me to a life spent in Hifi and the music business).

I will say this:
He has, for me, continued to be both a great friend and teacher, and he believed in me back at a time where I could have easily slipped into a whole other lifestyle (he believed in my intelligence, which back then was simply being wasted). My own family did not demand as much as he did in terms of my effort, and my integrity (say what you will, he impacted my life for the better in terms of my work ethic, which brought me to work for the great Arif Mardin at Atlantic Records - whom I miss with all my heart).

I was just back in Sea Cliff myself a few weeks ago, spending time in Rm 2 - and just when I thought I'd heard mind-bending things in the past, I was astounded yet again.

I consider myself both privileged and lucky to call him my friend - and I will keep fighting for Good Sound until the say I die! I'm so glad a friend sent me the link to this post!!!!

(and I realize I need to update my info here, so my apologies if my info is dated).

Yours in Sound,

Michael Mercer


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Late 50's early 60's was when housewives listened to the console.. All those easy listening Lps from the 50's., posted on March 10, 2011 at 19:30:44
There were mountains of easy listening Lps in the later 50's early 60's. The 'HiFi' was the home theater of that period. Housewives were supposed to do the housework while listening to Mantovani or whoever. And buy phonograph consoles.... they did. and LPs. ALL those stupid easy listening Lps are from that period...
I can remember my Cousin-in law (who had moved to the suburbs) showing me his new 'stereo' and explained how the 'lows come out over here, and the highs over there' (i kept my mouth shut, he is Italian, and would not take kindly to being corrected by a teenage girl.I was into Stereo by then myself) He only bought it to impress the neighbors..
So the real reason that stereo took off was suburban showoffs having to display the latest and greatest to out do each other.

 

Edison was a shmuck. Try A/C is from Tesla, Then James Watt, How about Count Volta... Galvani, posted on March 10, 2011 at 19:53:38
Guericke, Von Kliest, Musschenbroek (Of Leiden jar fame) Gralath, Priestley, Franklin, Faraday, Maxwell, Volta, Tesla,
The roll call of folks who discovered the science of electromagnetism... Edison was a small bump in the road.
Tesla had a FAR more brilliant mind than that dog, Edison.(and a LOT off the stuff Edison patented, other folks invented, Edison was just a better huckster, and a better liar, and had better lawyers.)
Oh yeah, the real reason i was gonna post (before i ranted about that usurper edison,) was that just like one guy grabs most of the credit because he is a bigger blowhard,(Edison) many many folks helped move audiophilia along. Yeah HP was important, but so were many others.

 

RE: Edison was a shmuck. Try A/C is from Tesla, Then James Watt, How about Count Volta... Galvani, posted on March 11, 2011 at 17:02:24
Tony Lauck
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You were right on about Edison. It was fun to listen to the cylinders down at Ft. Meyer's, Florida, though.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

Yeah, he merely invented the phonograph, posted on March 16, 2011 at 19:39:57
josh358
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And -- off the top of my head -- the multiplex telegraph, the carbon microphone, the stock ticker, the practical incandescent lightbulb, the motion picture, the diode, the mimeograph, and the fluoroscope.

What you are doing is confusing book learning, of which Edison had little, with genius.

 

RE: Supposed COOL IMAGE, posted on March 17, 2011 at 14:09:45
cdb
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Two white guys in suits, three white women in prom gowns.

Some hack artist's idea of the good life back then in a cheesy Rockwell imitation. Too bad he forgot the loudspeakers...

 

RE: LOL, posted on August 19, 2011 at 19:29:10
josh358
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Whoa, only took me 5 months to find and respond to this . . .

Anyway, yes, it's not PC to say so, but I think that kind of reliance on reviews is perfectly reasonable, if you've come to trust the reviewers. Of course, ideally, we'd listen to everything we bought, but that isn't always possible, and when it is, what you hear at the dealer's or at the show doesn't always translate to what you hear at home. My favorite purchase ever, my 1-D's, was made purely on the basis of reviews. Others on the basis of industry scuttlebutt, back when I was in the industry.

Overall, I'd say that I bat about 50-50 when it comes to audio components I've purchased on the basis of recommendations and listening alike, which is far better than it would be if I bought things at random. You may not end up agreeing with the advice you were given, but it unquestionably improves your chances.

 

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