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Mahler Cycle Again

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Posted on February 7, 2021 at 02:21:57
Frihed89
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 What do Mahler lovers think of this new boxed set: Berliner Philharmonika Recordings, The Symphonies of Gustav Mahler? I already have the cycle conducted by Michael Gielen. Are there big differences. The BPR cycle has multiple conductors, including Rattle (7 and 8), Haitink (9) and Abdado (10). I'm not familiar with the others.

 

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Mahler deserves many different looks..., posted on February 8, 2021 at 12:17:03
John N
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 I like the Kubelik as a complete cycle, and at least some Lenny is essential. My most listened to are 1,3,5, and 6.
Do try some St. Bruno, especially 1 and 5. Horenstein is definitely worth a listen for Mahler 3rd. And I never really got Mahler 2 until I listened to the Klemperer.

 

RE: Mahler deserves many different looks..., posted on February 8, 2021 at 15:33:26
pbarach
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 The only complete cycles I have are Bernstein (Sony) and Gielen (Hanssler). Then I have the Christmas Matinee box (Phillips), which is a nearly complete cycle by Haitink that in most cases betters his first set of studio recordings as performances and also in better sound quality.

 

based on this thread I pulled out...., posted on February 8, 2021 at 18:13:52
John N
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 the Bertini Mahler 1 (Koln radio orchestra) - overall it is excellent and has a character that other recordings miss. Another rec- Salonen for the Mahler 3rd. Mahler 3rd was his first performance with the LA Phil after assuming the music director position, which I got to attend. Really outstanding.

 

Agreed about the Salonen M3. (NT), posted on February 9, 2021 at 14:15:32
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I have and like that recording too - but it's only 2Ch! [nt] ;-), posted on February 9, 2021 at 18:38:11
Chris from Lafayette
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I don't think I have many complete Mahler cycles, posted on February 8, 2021 at 01:18:47
Chris from Lafayette
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 Mostly, it's all been symphony-by-symphony for me. Actually, I think I do have the Kubelik/DG cycle, but it's some crazy Korean pressing and some of the discs won't play. (Maybe it was from NORTH Korea!) I think the closest I've come to a complete cycle is the Neumann/CzPO cycle on the Canyon/Exton (not the earlier Supraphon/Denon cycle) - but Neumann died before he completed symphonies 7 and 8 of this latter cycle. I also have not heard anything from the new BPO set which you mention. Almost forgot - I do have the Vanska/Minnesota cycle, except for the 10th, which hasn't been released as a hi-rez download yet. Oh - and I also have the incomplete Ivan Fischer / BFO cycle on Channel Classics.

OTOH, I've had over 80 recordings of just the Fifth Symphony, and I'm convinced that almost every conductor and orchestra has something unique and worthwhile to offer, and in most cases of the individual symphonies, I'd be hard pressed to name a favorite recording.

 

RE: I don't think I have many complete Mahler cycles, posted on February 9, 2021 at 15:15:01
Frihed89
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 You have a very experienced ear and brain. I mostly lack both qualities, so I think I'd better off sticking with what I have, and maybe buy a new winter coat. We are being crushed by the Polar Vortex in Denmark.

I live in an old, poorly insulated flat. I need the coat for indoors use.'

But maybe you also have some music mind that will nicely complement the Polar Vortex and be a substitute for the winter coat?

 

We're sure noticing global warming around here, posted on February 9, 2021 at 18:36:52
Chris from Lafayette
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 Sometimes, we'll get some morning frost - although it seems much less than we used to get. I have a browser whose "start page" always shows the temperature of Oslo Norway - this time of year, at any given time of the day, they're about 40 degrees F colder than we are! Of course, I don't think they get earthquakes like we do!

It's always somethin'!

BTW, I thought people in Denmark were so happy, based on "world happiness ratings" - or am I thinking of Finland? And they can't even supply you with a winter coat? That wouldn't make ME very happy! For your situation, the only music I'd have in mind would be Tapiola by Sibelius!


Looks like they don't have any winter coats either!

 

RE: We're sure noticing global warming around here, posted on February 10, 2021 at 04:51:35
Frihed89
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 Chris, I have a couple of recordings of Tapiola. One by Karajan with the BPO and another by Vanska with the Lahti SO. I Have a couple of cycles, one by Paavo Berglund and another by Segerstam. (I know, he's slow).

 

I wasn't recommending Segerstam per se, although. . ., posted on February 10, 2021 at 11:44:11
Chris from Lafayette
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 . . . I've enjoyed what I've heard from both of his cycles. And I think that Berglund recording you have is really very fine, although I'm not sure which of his cycles you're referring to - my favorite of the three is the earliest, the EMI one with the Bournemouth SO. I remember listening to his Sibelius Fourth from this cycle when it had just come out on LP - it also contained the tone poem, "The Bard". Ms. CfL and I had just been married and we both used to listen to it. It just seemed to be such extraordinary music to both of us - and still does!



BTW, despite my attempt at humor in my previous post, I sincerely wish you the best in obtaining a new winter coat.

 

RE: Mahler Cycle Again, posted on February 7, 2021 at 05:23:43
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 Without hearing this Berlin set, I will guarantee there are differences from the Gielen set. Each conductor has his own point of view on what is in the music and how to convey it to an audience.

They also change their minds! I saw Haitink conduct Mahler 9 in Cleveland, and it was somewhat different than his first recording of the piece, which was also different from the Christmas Matinee video/CD he led in Amsterdam, which was also different from a relatively recent performance he gave with the LSO. I've also heard M9 conducted by Zander, Rozhdestvensky, and (in public rehearsal) Tennstedt--they were all different! And this will be true for any of these works.

I just got the Gielen set, loved #1, and am looking forward to the rest.

 

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