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Bruckner Afternoon: Time to Finally Explore the "Wing" Cycle

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Posted on September 27, 2020 at 11:32:57
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Karajan's traversal of the 4th thru the 9th.

I haven't heard any of these 70s performances. Some consider them the apogee of Bruckner performances, though I don't have skin in that game. It will be like walking into an out-of-town bar, (oops, church) for the first time.

I do remember my first record hunts in the early '80s and how intrigued I was discover that many of Bruckner's symphonies required multiple Lp's in box sets, (as did Mahler's). Too pricey for me, but I liked the covers, including the iconic "wing."

I'm starting with the 8th in a few minutes. I'm also looking forward to comparing K's 6th with Tintner's. Some consider K's 1st mov't of the 6th to be too "fleet"! Stereotypes die hard, I guess.

I've also "read on the Internet" that DGG went back to the
"original" original tapes, and not the ones that K mixed Himself, to deleterious effect.

My previous experience with the 4th: Solti (imprint), Walter, Bohm, Honeck, Janowski. 5th: Welser-Most. 6th: Tintner. 7th: Walter, Haitink Lp. 8th: Wand NDR Lubeck Live (imprint and lucky me!), Giulini, Tennstedt, Skrow (Denon), Jansons. 9th: Walter, Mehta/VPO Honeck.

See you all on the other side!

 

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Yes - I've heard the Fifth from that set on Qobuz, posted on September 27, 2020 at 13:19:30
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 DG did an outstanding job with this latest remastering IMHO (assuming that the other symphonies came up as well as the Fifth!).

 

So far...., posted on September 27, 2020 at 13:56:02
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 The sound is very good. The "ambience" I crave is intact. Bruckner's grand vistas unfold as they should but do so within a solid (and admittedly inescapable) frame. No tape saturation issues.

I'd rank the sound above their Sibelius 5th and Dvorak Cello Concerto reissues.

K's 8th, 1st mov't seems a bit choppy but climaxes make their mark. I found it hard to "lock in" but maybe it was me. That said, masterful pacing of the 3rd and 4th movts. Very satisfying and string sound is remarkably beautiful.

I'm anxious to investigate their Schoenberg Pelleas and Verklakte Nacht remaster now.

 

I think that Second Vienna School stuff from Karajan was pretty notorious for SQ, posted on September 27, 2020 at 15:51:34
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 It will be interesting to see if DG's Tonmeisters did any miracles this time around.

 

Dunno. As for K's Bruckner 8 and 6....., posted on September 27, 2020 at 19:17:40
jdaniel@jps.net
 The interpretations are as robust and (over?) prepared as can be, but the lack any front to back spacial cues did begin to fatigue my ears.

I went back to the Tintner 6
which I found to be a far more listener-friendly, roomy recording, projecting a more uncanny spread of an orchestra.

 

I'll have to check those out too, posted on September 28, 2020 at 00:59:56
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 Lack of front-to-back depth has been my problem too with many of DG's recordings over the years. The Fifth (which I did hear) seemed much improved in this regard compared to earlier incarnations I'd heard. Of course, this is all within the confines of 2-channel - otherwise, I'd be hyping Blomstedt, Janowski, Honeck, Zweden, P. Jarvi, Ballot, Harnoncourt, (and more - really amazing how much there is!). . . ;-)

 

How many of these were recorded in dem Kirche, und, posted on September 29, 2020 at 10:24:28
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 how many in the "new" hall?

 

I hope jdaniel doesn't mind my stepping in here, posted on September 29, 2020 at 11:11:54
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 According to Discogs:

  • No. 1: (1982)
  • No. 2: (1982)
  • No. 3: (1980)
  • No. 4: (1975)
  • No. 5: (1977)
  • No. 6: (1979)
  • No. 7: (1977)
  • No. 8: (1975)
  • No. 9: (1975)

Sometimes it's unclear whether Disogs is printing the recording date or the release date. I believe ALL of these "wing" Bruckner symphony recordings were made in the Philharmonie. Discogs confirms this location on some symphonies, but not all, and never lists the Jesus Christus Kirche as a location on any of the symphonies of this set. As most folks probably know, the first three Bruckner symphonies in this cycle were recorded digitally, while the rest were recorded on analog tape.

 

Not at all. I look forward to listening to the 7th this weekend. nt, posted on September 29, 2020 at 17:15:37
jdaniel@jps.net
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RE: I hope jdaniel doesn't mind my stepping in here, posted on September 29, 2020 at 20:12:16
AlanPre
 You are correct. Accroding to the booklet from the RBCD set, all the performances were recorded in the Philharmonie.

The recording dates are:
#1: 1/1981
#2: 12/1980 to 1/1981
#3: 9/1980
#4: 4/1975
#5: 12/1976
#6: 9/1979
#7: 4/1975
#8: 1/1975 & 4/1975
#9: 9/1975

 

Alan - thanks for the more detailed (and correct!) information! [nt], posted on September 30, 2020 at 00:59:20
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RE: I hope jdaniel doesn't mind my stepping in here, posted on October 5, 2020 at 13:19:01
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 All of the DG Bruckner symphonies with Karajan were recorded in the Philharmonie.

The earlier Electrola //EMI recordings were done in Berlin churches. B8 from 1958 in the Grünewald-Kirche and B4 and B7 from the early 1970s in the Jesus-Christus Kirche.
John Proffitt

 

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