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Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China

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Posted on December 29, 2019 at 00:01:35
KanedaK
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I keep stumbling across those ads as I'm browsing through audio accessories on AliExpress

loads of fake Nordost cables
some cheap and looking really naff; some others being the price of genuine VanDenHul and seem to be the result of correct reverse engineering (around 200$ for around 30" length)

Just for fun, looking for reviews you can find a few forums where some guys have tried it, and you can find a couple guys saying they gave up on their genuine "expensive" cable after they tried the fake Odin.

They also sell the separate conductors by the meter for DIY stuff if you're so inclined, and you can really see the particular construction, with the central silver-plated conductor and the tiny "shield" spiraling around it. If that same conductor is used to make the fake interconnect, I'd be very curious to hear the results.

Now I know, it is not "right" to buy fake stuff. I've already bought a couple (very good, "high end replicas") fake watches that look stunning - when people ask me "is it real", I always tell the truth, because I just enjoy them for what they are, I'm not trying to pass them for the real deal - which would be very easy. As for this cable, if I was to buy it, I couldn't care less if the name was "Porndust Boudin", I'm just curious about the sound. The fact they are a copy of the most expensive interconnect in the world is secondary - and totally irrelevant if I consider I will never, ever be able to listen to, let alone own the real Odin interconnect in this life.

I also consider myself a thoroughly decent individual, respecting others, working hard for a lowish income, paying his taxes, and moving around in public transports; if my "dark side" has to be slightly supporting the Chinese fakes market, then so be it.

And finally, one could argue that when a company asks 21000$ for an interconnect cable, that company has to expect copies will flourish, and for the 999/1000 audiophiles who will never be able to buy the real thing, it might be tempting to try what a cheap, reversed engineered version can do - and no matter how decent-to-very-good the copies might be (maybe?), of course the real thing will always be much better - but it is so damn expensive most of us will never know.

Okay so this was a rather long disclaimer for something I might not even buy - I'm rather interested in reading if some of you guys have indulged in that guilty pleasure and what were the results? I'm sure some of us did. For the price, shame or no shame, it's hard not to be tempted...


 

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RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 29, 2019 at 07:02:46
Dynobot
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I remember one time I purchased some fake AQ King Cobra cables from China...they actually sounded pretty good. Because they were cheap I dissected them and sure enough solid core wire, and the whole construction was just like AQ. Made me wonder if these were b-stock or cables stolen from the AQ factory in China or something.


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RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 29, 2019 at 10:27:57
Audiogabby
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I've been in this hobby for over 30 yrs now. During that time I've used more than a dozen high end brands with great reviews. Three years ago while looking on ePay i noticed a pair of Argento Flow Master Reference at a very low price and decided to give it a try. I knew they were clones based on the price alone. Upon receipt of the cables I was stunned at the built quality to the point that i decided to email Argento to check their serial numbers. Yes, they even had serial numbers. Argento never responded to my email. I connected the cables to my system and to my surprise they sounded very good. That's when things started to get interesting. Upon break in the cable kept impressing me and I decided to put it against my then reference cable. To make a long story short the Argento clone came on top. Very extended at the frequency extreme and also spot on midrange. I change components frequently but the Argento clone remains in my system three years later.

 

They may be real , posted on December 29, 2019 at 10:33:22
Wojciech
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I think most of the Nordost line is just confection of existing products

 

As a Cable Cooker owner, I come across various knock-offs, posted on December 29, 2019 at 13:57:48
Luminator
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People continuously ship me their wares, for me to treat on an audiodharma Cable Cooker. These include products known to be fakes. I've received several fake Kimber, Tara Labs, and XLO interconnects; Nordost and Shunyata powercords; and even AQ, Cardas, and Kimber speaker cables. With many of these, the cabling portion can look very close to a genuine sample. But often, the connectors give the fakes away.

Nevertheless, these knock-offs have all been functional, so, Cooked or not, they can be used. That said, I personally did not like the mediocre sonics of the fake Tara Labs Vector interconnects, and fake XLO Signature 3 digital coax.

 

RE: As a Cable Cooker owner, I come across various knock-offs, posted on December 29, 2019 at 14:22:39
KanedaK
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All this is very interesting; I feel more and more tempted...
my system has become more and more resolving and it makes me wanna experiment more stuff (even tho I love my VanDenHul).

 

Might as well salvage them, posted on December 29, 2019 at 14:32:08
Luminator
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Dang, I wish I had taken photos of the knock-offs. But anyway, most of the time, the respective owners knew ahead of time, that they were holding fakes. So they just shrugged, and sent those fakes to me. Might as well Cook the fakes, get the most out of them.

OTOH, on rare occasion, an audiophile was wondering why a certain cable just didn't sound right/good. So when he sent me the sample, I would communicate with my audiophile circle, and see if anyone had that product. In that way, we determined that a "Kimber KCAG" was a fake. The gauge and braiding of the internal conductors were off. But the giveaway was that the "WBT" RCAs were not the same sizes, models, or serial numbers as genuine parts.

You know what though? Some of the fakes do, in terms of sonics, outperform genuine entry-level products from the likes of, for example, Monster Cable.

 

RE: Might as well salvage them, posted on December 29, 2019 at 14:52:18
KanedaK
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Anything outperforms Monster Cable, they are the worst around.

I'd be thoroughly interested if a fake Odin beats a genuine VanDenHul integration, for example.
From what I'm reading here and there, it is a possibility (I suppose the specific geometry of the cable has a lot to do with perceived sound quality).

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 05:05:37
Duster
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A "high end replica" fake watch that looks stunning is a different animal than an audio cable, since a cable is not about looks, and its function is not like a fake watch that might keep good time like a cheap watch can do.

So keep in mind it might feel like you are getting near the "high-end" if you buy a fake cable, but it simply won't sound like the real thing, and a better sounding authentic make/model cable with a less prestigious pedigree for the same price of the fake product is more than likely, it's almost assured.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 10:24:01
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I believe Nordost manufactures it's cables in house. But a number of others have their bare cables made to their specs overseas. They get it in huge rolls and cut and terminate them. I suppose some even have the termination done overseas as well.
I am guessing some of that wire might not meet specs or be excess production. It then might be used for the fakes. So, it is questionable if they will be decent or not. It's a gamble most of us won't take.



 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 14:35:14
KanedaK
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Of course, yet the particularity of Nordost cables is that you SEE the conductors and how they are built.
I'm not one second supposing that the fake Odin cable might sound as good as the real cable; but I can see on the pictures that the global construction is the same and conductors look extremely similar (which isn't the case with most other fake cables on which all you see is the outer jacket).
Assuming they use reasonable quality materials (which I believe is very likely), combined with the singular Nordost arrangement, it may be interesting. We all know (you especially) that the geometry of a cable plays as big a role as 99,99999purity OFC copper, at least for some aspects of the transmission.
Equal, not even in dreams; good for the price? we can't completely dismiss that possibility IMHO...
At 130 (or even 50)$ for a 50cm length I probably will try my luck someday.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 14:40:24
Duster
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Can you post a link to the product, KanedaK? I'd like to ponder it, then post my 2 euro cents worth.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 14:50:54
KanedaK
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Let's not forget that I use a 250$ Chinese DAC (SMSL SU-8), a 49$(!) Chinese active crossover that sounds fantastic, and a couple pocket-sized Chinese class D amps in my main, all horn-loaded system, and they all represent the absolute best bang for the buck in that particular context, used within their limitations; so I'm biased to believe there are gems hiding in the dark waters. (and I've come to all this after using regular, approved brands for the last twenty years). Yet my VDH cables cost more than those electronics - only the CD drive and preamplifier have pedigree.
Of course, one could argue that the goal here is to sell a fake product, a gimmick, and sound quality may have been completely forgotten; but maybe we can consider that if they manage to make a 250$ DAC that sounds way above its class, then it would be very easy for them to make a 200$ cable that sounds glorious. If, and that is the question here, they actually cared about that aspect.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 14:57:52
KanedaK
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I'm a little bit wary of posting a link to a fake product in here. I feel uncomfortable enough WRITING about it, but posting a link to the actual product... I will send it to you by PM :)

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 15:03:33
Wojciech
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Why manufacture when ready to go source is available? They may manufacture only the flagship

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 15:07:12
Duster
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I've rarely been impressed with a Chinese cable nor connector except from a low-budget perspective. There are legitimate Taiwanese companies and only a couple of Chinese companies that produce credible sounding cables/connectors. None of them resort to offering counterfeit cables posing as the real thing. I think it does a disservice to audiophilia to purchase a blatant rip-off. High-value, moderate-cost Chinese DACs and PSUs based on various well-known circuits are not fakes, and can be appreciated for what they are. I own and enjoy several Chinese DACs and PSUs within a number of audio systems.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 15:31:48
KanedaK
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I respect your knowledge in the matter and if I ever buy one of those it will be more out of curiosity than real expectations - and if it sucks, I'll remember your words ;)

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on December 30, 2019 at 23:57:14
KanedaK
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(I've sent you an email with some links)

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on January 1, 2020 at 10:07:33
Duster
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I did not receive your email message, KanedaK...

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on January 12, 2020 at 05:15:20
Not Yet There
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I highly doubt that they are reverse engineered but merely a cosmetic knockoff.

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on January 12, 2020 at 14:46:24
KanedaK
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You never know.
Their copies of known amplifier copy the circuit and topology; they also copy the movements of Rolex watches, not just the externals. It all depends how much you're ready to pay; the more you pay, the closer it is to the real deal. (not talking quality here of course, but you get my point).

 

RE: Fake Nordost Odin interconnects from China, posted on November 12, 2020 at 05:06:05
shawnwes
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I have heard these interconnects in a decent system and can say they were a large improvement over the $400 well known cables they were swapped out for. Whether they're as good or the same as an authentic pair I can't say as I'll probably never get to hear a pair but they were impressive.

 

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