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Posted on May 4, 2022 at 17:17:44
John Elison
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I bought a pair of PS Audio Stellar M1200 monoblock amplifiers a couple of years ago and they sound spectacular in my system driving my Thiel CS3.7 speakers. I had been using a Parasound Halo A21 power amplifier before buying the PS Audio amplifiers and the improvement was substantial. Anyway, PS Audio just announced a sale on their Stellar line of audio components so I thought you might be interested.

 

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RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 4, 2022 at 19:27:32
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Great discounts on great gear. My system is almost completely composed
of PS Audio gear and I like what I hear. No affiliation.

Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 4, 2022 at 20:13:04
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I received that PS Audio sale email too. I have a few very nice sounding PS Audio items including M700 monoblocks, NuWave DSD DAC, and old GCPH phono pre. It's a good time to buy if you're in the market.

They had a similar sale several months ago.



 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 4, 2022 at 20:55:17
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Are you keeping your M700s?

I'm tempted to try the S300.

-Rod

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 02:03:47
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For those who wish for the S300, ASR takes a peek inside and critiques the ICEpower modules.....HYpex is better.

Read post #83 by Amir: CLass D amps (ALL) sound the same...or do they?

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Sabaj A 8 is only 259.00
https://www.amazon.com/ICEpower-125ASX2-Integrated-Audio-Specific-Low-Distortion-High-Efficiency/dp/B09NW27BWH

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 05:06:54
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The price in 2019 was $1499.00 as shown at ASR review

 

Thank you, John, posted on May 5, 2022 at 05:38:15
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I hadn't noticed the PS Audio email I got yesterday, so I appreciate your post. I just placed my order.

Given the great reviews, I've been curious about their Stellar phono for a few years now, but not enough to actually make the purchase. This sale price was too good to ignore, even cheaper than with their normal trade-in offer, and now I won't have to pack up and ship them my Graham Slee Reflex, if the Stellar phono betters it.

Thanks for the heads up.





 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 08:06:31
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I don't buy products based on Amir's measurements.......

Amir (ASR) is all about specs and measurements and his buyers make purchases with ZERO regard for how the item actually sounds. Tube amps will fail miserably in ASR lab tests but many actually SOUND fantastic.

I've had Hypex based amps in my setup in the past along with ICEpower. I wasn't real impressed with Hypex even though everyone thought these Class D modules were the hot ticket. I preferred the ICEpower amps [and still do] including a couple from Wyred4Sound and now PS Audio.

As for the PS Audio S300, it is not just an ICE module in a box like so many cheaper garage built amps you see on the market. PS Audio uses their own analog input stage on the S300 [as well as their other Class D amps] for a pleasant "house sound". This isn't their first rodeo and they've been around for several decades with a real US based factory and customer support.

I am very pleased with my ICEpower based PS Audio M700 mono blocks.

PS Audio S300 stereo amp analog section:




 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 08:11:46
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Never say never but I plan to keep my M700s for a while. I've had them for about a year now but as you know, I enjoy trying different equipment. I have no plans to sell them anytime soon.

As for the S300 at the sale price, you have very little to lose. PS Audio has a 30 day return policy. If you keep it longer and decide to sell it, you won't lose much selling on the used market. It won't lose much value relative to the sale price.


 

S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 5, 2022 at 08:48:20
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When I purchased by first batch of PS Audio gear, I was considering the
S300, but the sales guy (since departed) stated that the M700s were a
far better product sonically. I've never heard the S300, but I do love
my M700s.

Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 09:26:27
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I recently returned my P15 power plant due to issues with hum that wasn't there before. I think due to circumstances I had it for over 30days (well, a week or so was spent getting a replacement), but they were great to work with and think they are very lenient on the trial/return policy - just ask their sales people. The build quality is very good (can't comment on the QC as my first unit had electrical issues and the 2nd had fan noise).

If you are considering a PS Audio unit, take advantage of the sale and the trial period - there is absolutely nothing to lose (they pay for shipping both ways also).

I'd wish it had worked out for me, but wouldn't hesitate to try again if there is something of interest.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 09:51:17
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I had their original P300 Power Plant AC regenerator that I used almost daily for 22 years before it developed problems. Caps started to age and bulge but I suppose that was to be expected after 22 years of nearly continuous reliable use.



 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 10:35:57
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John,
I listen to classical piano music. Does this amp have an even spectral balance - No left hand emphasis? Is the treble full or thin - Very important to the treble/fulness of the piano . My speakers are B&W 801 Matrix Series 3. Thank you.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 10:39:42
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great question

 

P300, posted on May 5, 2022 at 12:21:09
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So I went back to my P300 after I sent the P15 back. I did have it recapped some ~10yr ago preemptively, and has been working fine. I'd figure it was time for an upgrade (the P15 does fit nicely in my rack) but that was not the case.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 12:39:30
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I don't think you will have any problem with PS Audio gear in this
regard - I don't, anyway, and I listen to a lot of piano and other
string instruments. If you listen to a lot of piano music, you may
well want to audition some Magnepans.

Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 13:52:35
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It is good you can drink the cool aid from PS Audio. They have a champion buyer for life. Best wishes.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 15:43:20
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I think either business is not so good or a major redesign in the works. The discounts are significantly large.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 15:50:10
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It is good you can drink the cool aid from Amir. He has a champion reader for life. Best wishes.

 

RE: Maybe, but..., posted on May 5, 2022 at 15:52:39
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The discounts are pretty much (exactly?) what you got prior to the sale if you took advantage of PSA's generous trade-in program, so really no change. I guess they just wanted to make it easier for people to buy.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 5, 2022 at 16:50:15
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Well, my speakers are Thiel CS3.7, which are essentially polar opposites of B&W. However, I like both brands. I also own a pair of B&W PM1 stand mounted speakers and I switch back-and-forth quite often.

Unfortunately, I've never used my PS Audio monoblocks with my B&W speakers. I've used them only with my Thiel speakers and they reproduce classical piano beautifully. They're actually the best sounding amplifiers I've ever owned. Therefore, I suspect they would also work beautifully with your B&W 801 speakers, but I've never heard that combination.

Good luck,
John Elison

 

RE: S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 5, 2022 at 20:43:40
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At the price, it's easily sold.

If it's as good as my current options, the 12V trigger and lower energy costs are advantageous. My other amps run hot and are left on.

For Maggies, the M700s seem a better choice.

-Rod

 

It's wholesale pricing..., posted on May 5, 2022 at 20:48:10
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Audio is a 30-40 percentage margin, more for Monster cables.

The S300 has a 33% discount. That's direct pricing.


-Rod

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 6, 2022 at 03:58:27
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Take a look at Amir's post on the PS Audio P12. It's a pissing match between those who listen and those who measure.....Paul even challenged Amir's assessment.

I would rather be a reader for life, than the sucker who makes a purchase then regrets that purchase.

Best to those who find his (Paul's ) videos on YOUTUBE entertaining.

 

Warmer weather, audio sales fall off, posted on May 6, 2022 at 04:26:21
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Good points. My understanding is that when weather warms up people start to do outside activities and interest on their audio system falls off. So with years of sales data, PS Audio has projections for sales during the spring, summer, fall, and winter. But your second thought is good. Maybe a combination of both?

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 6, 2022 at 06:45:58
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It's completely possible that new models are in the works as the S300 [and my M700] are both about 5 or 6 year old designs. On the other hand, PS Audio had a similar sale several months ago.

But at $1099 for the S300 it competes on price with what I call "garage shop" brands or Chinese imports and comes with a 30-day trial period, 3 year warranty, and a US based factory, tech support, and service department - in Boulder Colorado. It's a low risk purchase IMHO, even if one decides to sell it on the used market a few months from now.



 

Note about subwoofers with balanced BTL amp, posted on May 6, 2022 at 06:57:21
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Rod if you use a subwoofer connected to the amp's speaker terminals [not just REL brand]:

"Its important to note that the Stellar Amplifier is a fully balanced BTL amplifier. As such, the Black terminal is not ground. If connecting the Stellar S300 to a REL Acoustics subwoofer, it's important to consult the manufacturer's service documentation to ensure the S300 is appropriate for the subwoofer."

If you use line out from your preamp [or LFE] this obviously does not apply.

 

RE: Note about subwoofers with balanced BTL amp, posted on May 6, 2022 at 10:55:39
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That's strange or maybe not. Does it affect anything other than a REL?

For me, it's not an issue as I run line level on the second outputs from the preamp to the subs.



-Rod

 

RE: S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 6, 2022 at 11:36:30
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I am running gunned 1.6s with the 700s and they sound the best they ever have. I've had them for about 6 months now. I thought the Oddessy Monos would be my last amps but they ran out of steam at high SPLs. I don't think you can go wrong with these.

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 6, 2022 at 11:38:42
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Have you ever listened to them?

 

I'd submit that the sale is in response to competition, posted on May 6, 2022 at 11:43:59
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The S300 is a very decent amp -- even Amir at ASR admits this -- but at US$1500 it has dubious advantage over competition making class D module-based amps.

This competition isn't only from "garage shops". Two makers that come to mind that make high-quality, well-designed, and physically attractive module-based amps are Nord Acoustics, (United Kingdom), and Apollon Audio, (Slovenia). OK, not USA the latter being worth something I suppose.

The Nord One NC500ST stereo is US$1080 which is comparable though some would argue that its Hypex NCore NC500 modules are superior to the ICEpower 300ASC. Also roughly comparable to the S300 would be the Apollon NCMP700, US$945, based on the Hypex NCore NC502MP integrated modules.

Not to exclude the "garage shops" entirely, VTV Amplifier offers its Hypex NC502MP NCore amplifier for US$760.

Of interest too would be Apollon's "Premium" NC1200SL monoblocks based on Hypex NC1200 module. The costs US$2430, much cheaper than the arguably comparable PS Audio M1200 monoblocks even on sale.

Paul Gowan might be loath to admit it but I believe he has his his eye on this effective consumer competition.





Dmitri Shostakovich

 

There's also the GaNFET amps out/coming out, posted on May 6, 2022 at 13:33:12
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Including from Nord. Not as cheap as ICE or hypex (former best in the Universe), but It's the newest "thing".
Jack

 

RE: Note about subwoofers with balanced BTL amp, posted on May 6, 2022 at 18:34:33
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Apparently it does affect other than REL subs but only when using speaker output terminals from some Class D power amps [including Wyred4Sound]. Less of an issue with a single stereo D amp, more complex connections when using a pair of Class D monoblocks.

REL documentation has several setup examples. I -think- it has to do with special grounding considerations between sub and Class D amps. If you're curious checkout the documentation for any REL T/5x T/7x or T/9x [and possibly others].

But you're not affected if you're running line level connections. The only reason I even know about this is because I was looking into REL, SVS, and Rythmik Subs

 

RE: S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 6, 2022 at 18:38:41
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I owned the Odyssey Stratos Extreme stereo amp a long time ago. It was a great value and a very nice sounding amp. The Pass X150.5 that I bought later was better in sonics and build quality but now we're talking a much more expensive amp.

I also tried various Class D amps back then including some ICEpower and Hypex. To my ears the Wyred4Sound ICE were excellent but I wasn't quite ready to stick to Class D.

Fast forward a decade or more and I am very pleased with my PS Audio M700 ICEpower based mono blocks.


 

You and Feanor make valid points about pricing and newer designs, posted on May 6, 2022 at 18:53:08
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The recent sale pricing on PS Audio Class D amps could be just a sale as they've had them before or it could be in response to price competition and newer designs on the drawing board. Maybe all of the above. The S300 and M700 are 5 year old designs. I believe the M1200 is a couple years newer.

I'm not ready to jump on the GaNFET module of the month. I did that when NCORE became all the rage so I tried 3 NCORE amps. I decided that I preferred ICEPower [in a pair of Wyred4sound monoblock amps].

My preference must also have something to do with how the input section is designed and voiced. PS Audio and Wyred4Sound have been around the block a few times in this regard so I contend that it is not just a matter of which popular module a company chooses to stuff into their chassis even though many "garage shops" do just that. Not all, but many.

Class D is interesting to watch as we continue to see real advances in design and sonics in recent years.




 

RE: Note about subwoofers with balanced BTL amp, posted on May 6, 2022 at 19:35:16
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If the Class D amps don't have a ground for a sub it seems like a defect of sorts. Is it the module? Or the second speakers connection?

My preference is lineouts from the preamp to the subs, but in my office, speaker connections were the only option. Because the cables were long, I just tagged off the speakers with a short cable to the subs next to the speakers. I wonder if that would make a difference on a REL?

-Rod

 

"Voicing" of the amp will be critical for most people, posted on May 7, 2022 at 04:25:00
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So consider that Purifi designs their modules for the lowest overall distortion they can achieve, and many builders follow through on that intent with I/O buffers that pass on the minimum of distortion to the Purifi module.

But PS Audio, to their credit, tacitly recognize the many audiophiles prefer a little of the right sort distortion. So for instance, they put tube buffer ahead of the ICEpower modules in their M1200 monoblocks.

VTV, (a "garage shop"), for its part, offers an extensive choice of buffers for their own VTV buffer plus a tube buffer. In case of my own VTV amp, I choose the VTV buffer with the Sparkos SS3602 op amp. Sparkos touts the SS3602 as very low distortion. I choose that over the Hypex buffer which sounded terrible to me on the top end; I preferred the Sparkos over a few other op amps I tried, including the OPA1612 and the Burson V6 Vivid.

But then again I'm now enjoying my Sonic Frontiers preamp upstream of the VTV Purifi. The SF is very "neutral" for a tube preamp but does add a small amount of tube je ne sais quoi.

I believe that measurements, if understood properly, can help an audiophile significantly narrow their options for amplification. Simple THD+noise/SINAD isn't useful in itself. Studying harmonic distortion spectra is much more useful and highly indicative of the nature of the sound one may expect.





Dmitri Shostakovich

 

It would be fun to try the right GaNFET amp, posted on May 7, 2022 at 04:33:34
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But I'm not rushing out to buy any of the current offerings. I will wait, frankly, 'till I see some proper measurement for independent sources such as ASR or JA at Stereophile.

If I were tempted to try any of them on faith it would be the one offered by a fellow inmate, Ralph, (of Atma-Sphere), who understands the "voicing" of amps. Atma-Sphere's amp, is pricier that others but not outrageously so. See link below.



Dmitri Shostakovich

 

The VTV dilemma of too many choices...., posted on May 7, 2022 at 07:20:24
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Does VTV allow you to try a buffer and if you don't like it, trade it in to try another? Or do they allow you to buy several buffers and try them all, then get a refund on the ones you return ?

Choice is a good thing until it makes the purchasing decision complicated.

Since I'm familiar with and generally like the PS Audio "house sound" buying their products without auditioning is a pretty safe bet for me especially when you consider the 30-day trial. They even pay for return shipping.

Some other overseas Class D brands were mentioned but I would have similar questions on ease of audition and product return if it's not what I want. Unless there's a US based dealer that handles the product and offers a generous audition and return policy I would be hesitant. This is where Audiogon comes into play ;-) Buy USED, audition, then SELL w/o too much financial downside if I don't like what I hear.

I think Amir and his ASR measurement web site has it's purpose. I mainly use it to see if a product is way off on specs or other bizarre anomalies show up.



 

I agree but I'm going to wait a while, posted on May 7, 2022 at 07:26:14
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I think I saw the Atma-Sphere Class D amp briefly mentioned in Stereophile or TAS but the MSRP was over $5K for a 100-WPC D amp. Those will work with my Tannoys but I also own a pair of Thiel speakers that are much happier with more power.



 

RE: Note about subwoofers with balanced BTL amp, posted on May 7, 2022 at 07:42:30
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I don't know exactly what the design issue is but I think it has something to do with floating ground vs chassis ground possibly due to switching power supplies.

REL shows several subwoofer connection possibilities for Class D amps in their documentation so I would have a look there if you're curious. The REL high-level speaker connection cable has three conductors so you have to pay special attention to how they are connected to the speaker terminals and ground on Class D amps.

Again, there's no issue with using line level inputs to a sub driven from your preamp. But pay special attention if using speaker level signals to your sub. It's doable but read the documentation and/or contact the sub and amp maker.

The PS Audio Class D amps have a second set of speaker connections but those are simply wired in parallel which can come in handy for bi-wiring. You can use either set if you're not bi-wiring.


 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 7, 2022 at 07:44:10
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He's gone off-topic. The P12 is not an audio amp. It's an AC power regenerator.



 

Obviously if you have to ship something back to the UK or Slovenia ..., posted on May 7, 2022 at 11:01:57
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... It's going to cost you big bucks.

I don't have problem with PS Audio, especially amplifiers. Their sale brings their 'Sellar' products into consideration for new buyers.



Dmitri Shostakovich

 

RE: The VTV dilemma of too many choices...., posted on May 7, 2022 at 11:42:26
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Abe, VTV has a 30 day return policy on the amps, not sure about buffers/op-amps but Warren Coleman is a very helpful and honest person to do business with, and I am sure he would work with potential buyer.

I know you are not in the market, just posting as someone else reading the thread may be considering doing business with him and wanted to give him kudos. He has great support, emailed a question on a Saturday evening not expecting an answer until Monday and he replied with a helpful answer in about 30 minuets.

I contacted him recently to discuss upgrading from my current Purifi to the newer higher powered module, after discussing my system and room he said he didn't think I would get any real benefit from upgrading (which I pretty much knew, but, you know, its a new and shiny bauble...)

I am very happy with my VTV amp and the customer service provided.

 

I too have had great support from Warren -nt, posted on May 7, 2022 at 11:54:10
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nt



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I've heard nothing but praise for VTV, posted on May 7, 2022 at 12:04:56
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...but I have had nothing but great experiences with PS Audio with my sonic preferences and their support. Plus the PS Audio factory / service center is only a one hour drive from my home. They're located in Boulder CO.

I can see myself trying VTV and others someday. I'd be curious to try a GaNFET design after it's been out for a while longer with more companies adopting it.


 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 7, 2022 at 14:09:42
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I'd rather be a listener for life than a sucker who takes Amir's advice and then regrets that because even though Amir and his measurements tell me it shouldn't be so I no longer enjoy music on my system.

JohnK

 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 8, 2022 at 08:33:30
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I owned the PSA M700s before the huge price increase, and they were nice, but didn't couple my 98dB efficient speakers to my large room. Before PSA came out with the M1200, Ric Schultz came out with his EVS 1200, based on the identical Ice Edge modules PSA uses, but in one chassis, dual mono with lots of tweaks. No longer made, but MSRP was ~ $2600 or ~ 60% of PSAs discounted price! Hmmmmm.

Well, as much as I loved, raved and even started a thread about the EVS1200, about 13 months later, I got the LSA GaN 350, and it destroyed the EVS 1200 in every conceivable way IN MY ROOM.

LSA recently introduced the Warp One (class D, but not GaN) for $1200 or the LSA Voyager MSRP $3000, but they run sales @ $2500

HTH

 

RE: S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 8, 2022 at 08:35:59
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I owned the PSA M700s before the huge price increase, and they were nice, but didn't couple my 98dB efficient speakers to my large room.

LSA recently introduced the Warp One (class D, but not GaN) for $1200 but if you're willing to spe3nd $3K, the LSA Voyager amp is the one to own: MSRP $3000, but they run sales @ $2500

hth

 

M700: "before the huge price increase" ??, posted on May 8, 2022 at 13:29:49
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M700 MSRP/pair went from $2998 to recently $3298 or a 10% hike. Is that "huge" ? Maybe to some, but presently on sale for $2198/pair.

When I hear reviews that say one audio product "destroyed" another I have to wonder how crappy that other product must have been ;-)



 

RE: M700: "before the huge price increase" ??, posted on May 8, 2022 at 13:31:01
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Im referring to the original price

 

RE: M700: "before the huge price increase" ??, posted on May 8, 2022 at 13:32:23
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Original Price $2998 then $3298. 10%



 

RE: M700: "before the huge price increase" ??, posted on May 8, 2022 at 13:44:27
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OK, what Im thinking of... when they first came out you could buy them at dealer cost (40% off), then they did away with dealers and kept the savings

 

RE: M700: "before the huge price increase" ??, posted on May 8, 2022 at 14:52:06
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There may have been a time when some dealers sold off their inventory of PS Audio gear as PS Audio was going to a direct sales model. However, buying at dealer cost is not official pricing. It's just the price that some dealers may have been willing to let product go for IF they still had inventory on hand.

M700 MSRP was originally $2998/pair and now $3298 5 years later. I wouldn't call that a "huge price hike". It's 10%.

For what it's worth, I think PS Audio made the right choice in canning all of their dealers. IMHO most dealers offer no value-add and trying to manage your dealer channel, territory, and brand value erosion from excess discounting can be a royal PITA.

Cary had the same problem. There was a time when it was easy peasy to get 30% off or more on Cary gear by shopping it around to see which dealers were willing to whore their goods.

To be fair, there are some good dealers out there and they can be useful especially if you're the type who requires (or enjoys) the hand holding and affirmation that you made the right purchasing decision.


 

RE: Not quite sure I understand..., posted on May 8, 2022 at 15:25:04
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...your comment. PS Audio only sells direct now, and has since 2019 when they got rid of their dealers, so no such thing for them as "wholesale."

JohnK

 

RE: S300 vs. M700s, posted on May 8, 2022 at 16:05:43
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I'm not a fan of ASR for their audio reviews on how products actually sound, but they are good at catching significant flaws.

Conclusions
"Other than having a lot of power and good efficiency, there is not much else to be happy here. Clearly companies are using GaN as a buzzword without fully taking advantage of what it can provide. Lots of money is left on the table here in many areas from frequency response load dependency to high amount of distortion. At the end of the day, you have an expensive, high power amplifier here with average performance.

I can't recommend the LSA Voyager GAN 350. Performance is not there, nor is quality control."


 

RE: PS Audio SALE, posted on May 11, 2022 at 13:31:58
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Class D PS Audio Stellar does nothing for me. Substantial improvement? Maybe in power...not in quality. I owned BHK 300 monoblocks, and my current JC5 betters them, IMO. Oh, and their quality control SUCKS.

 

RE: It would be fun to try the right GaNFET amp, posted on May 19, 2022 at 07:20:40
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Stereophile reviewed both the Stellar M700 and Stellar M1200 mono amplifiers. Stereophile rated both of them "Class A" in their "Recommended Components."

 

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