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We need an Analog vs. Digital Deathmatch Asylum so we can get back to talking about vinyl in here. Hell, I bet we could have an auto-bot generate posts for everyone with their standard replies to save time.-Bry
Follow Ups:
that 'fact' bother anyone on this board or on the digital board?To suggest that all vinyl is great is ludicrous, just as it is to suggest the same for digital. Great vinyl and great digital BOTH sound wonderful to me!
I must have bad ears....sorry!
I don't know Scott but I think that Dylan's Street Legal sounds way better on SACD that on vinyl because they got the mix all fcked up when they first released it. They released it on CD with the same mix but finally got it remixed and released it on SACD.So there are cases. But you know what? I bet if they pressed and LP from that new mix it would sound better than the SACD!
Know what bothers me, though? duplicity.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
There are so many great LPs, no reason to keep the bad ones.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
That's what I say, you're just a lot more succinct than I.What the Hell... It's music. It's fun. Enjoy it.
Cheers & best to you,
Bobbo :-)
really care if an LP was originally recorded on a digital medium or a wax drum. If I like it I play it. And I have a bunch of really DUMB audiophoole "all analogue" "direct to discus" stuff that I really don't care for and never play it now matter how ANALOGUE it is.I also have lot's of good sounding to great sounding CDs.
So I vote to ban these discussions and anyone who starts them! (-:
There are still a few great ones still missing from my collection.Thanks in advance,
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
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~Slainte,
The OMalley
I don't believe that I've ever started a discussion about digital on this forum. However, I just love to interject facts to dispel all the lies that thrive here about both digital and vinyl. Therefore, I think you have hit upon the key to solving YOUR dilemma. Simply do away with free speech so that you can wallow in your ignorance.Bravo,
John Elison
Those OC9s You so graciously demoed on the comparison CDs have turned many of us. :-)
enjoy,
mark
a tired whining old drudge.keep your digital misconceptions to yourself. They have been proven wrong. you refuse to accept the proof that you have tin-ears. What more needs be said except for your incessant whining on the subject.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
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~Slainte,
The OMalley
I know the Vinyl Asylum is a wonderful place for learning and I'm sure you are an excellent teacher.Thanks,
John Elison
and it is not pretty.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
....I couldn't give a monkeys to be honest, I enjoy listening to records, I also listen to CD's in the car and at home, but I like vinyl better, I don't really know why, it's a physical thing I guess...
I posted a similar sentiment in another thread.I'd really like to see this forum dedicated to those who love vinyl.
That's why I'm here: to share info and learn from other vinyl affectionados.
When I want to discuss digital issues (except perhaps LP to digital transfers which by nature has issues pertaining both forums) I go to the digital forums.
Format wars belong elsewhere IMHO, perhaps the General Forum.
Moderators, can you help please?
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I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
Coke vs. Pepsi.
Macs vs. PCs.
My religion (or lack thereof) vs. yours.
GOP vs. Dems.
Apples vs. Oranges.
Analog vs. Digital.
Vinyl vs. CD.
Bose vs. Everything Else :P
All of them, themes discussed to death all over the Internet and which probably will continue to be so until the end of time. Someone should label these as something like "the discussion loops of no return" or something like that.Now, anything new under the sun?
_________________________________May the Tracking Force be with you!
. . . because the "vinyl kills digital" fundamentalists don't tolerate dissent, even from people who own record collections and enjoy them on high-quality playback gear. I've restored a broadcast turntable, built a 50 pound custom plinth for it, installed and modified an NOS unipivot arm, and built my own phono stage. John Elison's phono gear is impeccable. So it's a little difficult for me to take the moonbats seriously.Below is just a small sampling from the true believers:
If I want to say nice things about vinyl and voice my displeasure about digital, I sure should be able to do so in the vinyl asylum without the digizealots coming out full force and pouncing on me for it.
artemusvinyl asylum. vinyl. you say negatives about vinyl in the vinyl asylum it is trolling tantamountedly. Look, Tightass, why does it bother you that people prefer vinyl for any reason at all? Why zat bother you? You don't like vinyl, take a walk.
OMalleyIf anyone likes CD better they should buy CDs and post on Digital Drive.
Teresa
you've quoted. It really does appear that the digizealots are mentally deformed.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
Horse Manure.
because the "vinyl kills digital" fundamentalists don't tolerate dissent,
I tolerate dissent. I've never lobbied for the hi rez or other digital asylums to be shut down. I've never lobbied to have all the digital manufacturers arrested or put out of business or stop manufacturing, etc. Ive never said you have no right to listen to digital. Why..you can even enjoy it if you like. I welcome you and your digibuddies to come together in comraderie to talk of you great experiences with your 1's and 0's and talk of their exquisite nature. And if you don't mind i may even like to partake of one of your meetings and share the experience myself.
BUT when my "fundementalist" buddies and I are talking about the exquisite nature of our vinyl experience in the privacy of our own home (vinyl asylum) and you and your digibuddies break in and disrupt our conversation, belittle us and try to force us to think as you do, then it really kinda makes us mad. No it doesn't "kinda' make us mad. No. Some of us are doggone tired of the nonesense. I've tried to be polite about it. I've tried to be as pleasant as I know how. But what i really think is that you have bad manners if nothing else. And since I'm a vinyl "fundementalist" and the address here is Vinyl, this is home for me, but you look like a visitor. And an ill mannered one at that.
To quote your statement again
because the "vinyl kills digital" fundamentalists don't tolerate dissent,
Dissent? Why should there BE dissent? This IS the VINYL ASYLUM. Its NOT digital. So why should I or anyone else tolerate dissent. Its about vinyl. The crazy part about this whole thing is that it has to be explained. I would have thought common sense and manners would have been explanation enough
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
You can bad mouth Vinyl and Analog all you want on Digital Drive. We don't care.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
I hate cleaning LPs!
I hate cleaning the stylus!
I hate making adjustments to my turntable!
I hate surface noise!
I hate pops and ticks!The only reason I even mess with LPs is for their superior sound quality.
If I could get that realism on any other format and it had the music that I liked my LPs would be on eBay!
So I will let you know if that ever happens, I can guarantee it will not be a digital format as digital misses too much of the music.
I fail to see the logic of anyone messing with LPs if they didn't do it for the sound!
Sound and music that is what analog is all about.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
This may sound cruel, and if so, I'm sorry, but you need to re-examine your life.It's never too late to change.
vaya con dios
7 1/2 ips pre-recorded Reel to Reel comes very close in many ways, as far as deep bass and fullness of sound Reel to Reel is a little better. But LPs still win in transients and software availability.So I have the three main analog formats LP, cassette and RTR.
After over two decades I realize both low and high resolution Digital formats was a total waste of time and money.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
Professional is 30 ips.
HenryA 12-gauge shotgun is the ultimate arbiter of disputes - G. Gordon Liddy
It's supposed to be fun. I like screwing with my stereo, fudging my tt, trying different phonostages, arguing with J.D., trying to understand Mark Kelly's posts, wondering w.t.f. with tubes4,hoping FredJ returns, nodding agreeably to the posts from the inmates I agree with, and frowning at all those I don't. In other words, this web site has been a
huge and positive addition to my music-listening hobby.But in the end, that's what it is-a wonderful addition to my already-wonderful life.
I'm pretty sure that's all any of us can expect from AA.
vaya con dios
"I've restored a broadcast turntable, built a 50 pound custom plinth for it, installed and modified an NOS unipivot arm, and built my own phono stage."
So what are the reasons that you went to all this trouble? Sure seems like a lot of work if you don't feel that vinyl is the superior medium.
"So it's a little difficult for me to take the moonbats seriously"
So just having the thought that vinyl is superior to digital makes you a moonbat? You feel CDs are superior to vinyl and yet you are involved with vinyl anyway !?! And anyone who feels vinyl is superior to digital is a moonbat? Do I have your position correct?I can clearly hear the superiority of vinyl over cd. I just this proved this to myself yesterday when i played the same performance on cd and then on vinyl. There was much more musical information on the vinyl. Of course when I walked out the door I took the cd with me. So in my Jeep CDs are indeed superior.
I found the statements by artemus,OMalley and Teresa that you quoted are resonable. Yikes..I may be a vinyl moonbat. Is there a club?..maybe even a patch or bumper sticker?
This was'nt meant to be argumentative ..I have no interest in that game
Ernie
> > You feel CDs are superior to vinylWhat gave you that idea? People are starting to put words in my mouth.
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~Slainte,
The OMalley
you can say that you don't like vinyl or you like digital better. It is the digital absolutist that say that digital beats vinyl have been getting away with that nonsense for a while.I like CDs. I buy them and listen to them. I like vinyl better. I would like to leave the 'argument' or the commentary there and have tried to. But what with the tweaking comments that are always made to start and flame war, well as has been recently said, you got one.
I, as a member of the moonbat society, promise to behave if the digital pinheads will ... but they won't those fckers. :-)
Who cares if you or Elison have tip top systems? I usually don't partae of the digital-hating frothing thing with fervor be cause I DO have CDs and like 'em.
BTW, why don't you quote some of the drivel that you post in this regard? Quote me all you like, Tightass. I will give you a field day.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
That sums it up for me.
it's like a being a pagan amongst bunch of born again Christians. ( no offence ppl. I know few *nice* Christians )But some are just sour apples.
VINYL
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
...and I don't go to any Church. ;)The format I choose depends on the music and the mood I am in. ( sometimes, too lazy to get up and flip )
Not all people take this hobby that seriously. But the enjoyment people get out of it is just the same as when you listen to a record.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
'with CDs you only get bits of the music'
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
How about a slightly more obscure digital reference:" Words cannot describe music."
-Bry
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in those posts. The argument has legs.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
I have no idea why anyone who thinks CDs sound better would put up with all the trouble with the playing and upkeep of Vinyl.I love Vinyl NOT because of the surface noise, NOT because of the adjustments and tweaking, NOT because of all the hassles. But because NO ONE has invented anything that sounds better. Making Vinyl worth all the hassles to me.
If anyone likes CD better they should buy CDs and post on Digital Drive.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
Teresa, how easy of you to forget about my full spectrum, frequency modulated optical analog disc technology!;o)
If you get it $1,000 or under I'm there. Your Analog laser read format would be the answer to my dreams, especially if the world adapts it.That would be so cool the world moving from that god-awful Digital to beautiful realistic Analog.
I wish you the best of luck!
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
nt
Digital formats are easier to play and upkeep so if a person likes Digital better what is the reason for them posting on the Vinyl Asylum?Makes zero sense to me.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
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Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
to extend it ... why do analog bashing in the vinyl forum? what is the gain in that when all it does is cause people like me to act out? It's juvenile.Analog bashing is where the grudge is.
how in the world is her comment flat earthist?
~Slainte,
The OMalley
My comment was not addressing Teresa's assertion about analog-bashing. I agree with that comment. Bashing formats is silly, counter-productive, and childish.My comment was targeted at the subject line comment.
Many of us are here in this Asylum because we love the music. Many of us if not all of us have the lion's share of the music we own in vinyl because that was its native medium or maybe it was the only durable medium existing when we purchased it. As a 47 year old, that is certainly the case for me. Music-lover's as we are, even if we thought that Vinyl was a PITA, we would never give up the music we cherish just for the sake of convenience of usage!
By the same token, again as a lover of music, I would never dream of depriving myself of a musical piece simply on the basis of whether it were readily available in an analog format. That is just plain assinine (sp?).
I for one, own probably 50 or so recordings in both CD and LP. Why would I do such a thing? Plain and simple. The cd was readily available and the LP was not. I value the music more than the medium, as we all should, IMHO.
I regrettably made a post last week that may have triggered all of this. In that post, I simply stated that my vinyl rig and new cd player are basically interchangeable. I no longer feel the need to wait around for the possibility of a vinyl release, because the cd rig is now my TNT's equal in musicality. That is not vinyl-bashing, it is progress. My head is not buried in the sand, instead I am embracing the best of both worlds and enjoying the music in the process. Perhaps I am a "Stranger in a Strange Land", eh?
...but I bet not.
cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
I have a CD player and even though the vinyl I have beats it I can't/won't give it up because there is so much music out there on CD how can I?So I get your point. I am overreacting, probably, most definitly, to Elison's blind comments re digital vs analog. Bascailly, he cannot hear any difference and he puts out that there are no differences and he is dead wrong. Someone has posted that they work in the medium as a preofessional and DO hear differences but that is not good enough for a guy who has tin ears.
He should probably admit he can't hear worth a shit and I should probably grow up a little. Will either happen?
~Slainte,
The OMalley
You are right on the money. I also buy cd's because that is the only way you can get the music you like. They don't release it on vinyl. I am not talking about audiophile recordings, just everyday common releases. I think vinyl sounds way better than cd's in general and when I listen to get the most enjoyment that is what I play. I usually just listen to cd's in my car. I once knew this person Oscar who would buy lots of vinyl and play his vinyl rig. Then one day he decided to sell all of his vinyl and his analog stuff Well Tempered turntable etc. and buy all cd's. After about a year he would sell all of his cd's and then rebuy vinyl records again, including another Well Tempered table. This cycle kept on going. For the love of me why could he not keep both formats. As far as John Ellison is concerned he can't hear the difference between analog and digital. To try to convince him in my opinion is a total waste of time. I have many friends make me CDR copies of vinyl records on very expensive equiptment no PC computers. You know something I can tell everytime that it is a digital copy. The original vinyl trounces the copy everytime. In my opinion even if one copies a cd I like the original cd better.
not to trounce tin-ear Elison but to share my LPs with others.I have given up on convincing him - I just want to out him publicly for the genernal good and spleen.
Propogating opinion as fact, especially when wrong, should be thrown back in the boobs face.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
I (generally) prefer vinyl, I'm not going to deprive myself of other mediums simply to make a statement.
Missing music so much, I got a turntable to tide me over and a cheap one at that so it wouldn't outdo my SACD player. CD was out of the question as I cannot be in the same room when a CD is playing as they sound so bad and painful to my head.The Music Hall mmf-1 totally blew away my Sony DVD-S9000ES SACD player; it just sounded so much more real. Then I tried a tubed SACD player the Xindak SCD-2 and it held it's own against the cheap mmf-1 that is until I upgraded to the mmf-5. All Digital SACD, DVD-A, HDCD etc. was such a sonic and yes musical letdown after basking in the glorious music from my Music Hall mmf-5 turntable. And there are much, much better turntables than mine.
I have also added Nakamichi cassette and Dokorder Reel to Reel so I won't miss a single wonderful analog recording that tickles my fancy.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
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