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In Reply to: RE: Change is good - phonostage changes everything posted by creativepart on October 08, 2023 at 10:28:00
Upgrading the phono stage and/or the preamp makes a bigger difference that spending $$$ on a turntable, IMO.
I upgraded earlier this year and even my speakers sound better.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
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Even your speakers sound better? Interesting. Does that mean they sound better regardless of the source or just when the turntable is playing? I had a Sony CDP that sounded great, one of the reasons I got rid of it was because the sound of the system with other sources seemed to get worse with the CDP sitting on the rack (plugged in or not).
But it always has.
I was using a line-stage with an external phono pre, picked up a DB Systems DB-1 used from DB Systems, and to my ears at least, it's a lot more accurate than the old front end. The old stuff was very good, especially considering the price point, but it sounded--again to my years, and this might even be entirely room dependent--like it emphasized upper mids and lower mids. The Fried Mode RII speakers sounded annoying on most music with vocals.
But with the DB-1, the peaks I was hearing are gone. The Frieds pretty much just disappear. Vocals sound like a human voice should sound. Everything smoothed out.
The CDP sounds better, too. Lacks detail compared to the turntable/cartridge/phono stage chain though.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try your old phono section on the aux input (or other line level input) of your new preamp? Since the preamp sounds better the old phono section might not be as bad as you think - considering the great improvement you got with the new pre with phono section built in maybe there was no need to bother.
The native phone stage, same thing. Much more accurate than the external unit (it was an MS Phonomena II).
I think a lot of gear, the bass and upper mids are punched up. The DB-1 doesn't do that.
As a caveat, I've got a fairly lively room, and made my own sound absorbing panels to deaden it down a bit. In another setting, the old gear might be more pleasing to my old ears, who knows?
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Edits: 10/09/23
When I had the Exposure XV with built in phono I knew that I was going to stay with the line when I upgraded. First thing I bought was the external phono stage - costed as much as the integrated that had a very nice phono section build into it. Might have been the same phono circuitry with a massive power supply but worth every penny in sonic improvement to my ears. When I got around to replacing the integrated with separates is when I got to hear how good the phono section actually could be - and also the how good or bad phono cartridges and TTs I once thought great actually were.
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