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I have a U-Turn Orbit Basic I like very much. However, the slippage of the drive belt off of the platter drives me crazy. It's challenging to wrap it around the platter with my wife's help, and it's nearly impossible if I attempt it by myself. The process, for me, seems to require at least three hands. This happens too often because the belt creeps off the platter after a few sides have been played. A simple flat belt or a groove cut into the platter would do the trick. Why this wasn't done is beyond me.Going with a direct drive table seems like the obvious solution. My budget is around $1000. New or used would be fine. What should I look for? Features? Tables to avoid? There are a lot of choices. Wasn't Technics the go-to brand for direct drive back in the day?
Thanks, as always.
"'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice./And when justice is gone, there's always force./And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!" Laurie Anderson, "O Superman (For Massenet)"
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I had the same problem with my TD125. It turned out the belt was stretched out, i needed a new belt.
I have a Sony 2250 vintage DD TT. I've had a Sony PSX3 and PSX4 as well, i sold them because for me the highs were a bit hard on the ear. The 2250 doesn't have that problem, maybe because of the wooden case?
"The torture never stops"Greetings Freek.
I was also thinking the same thing, what is described sounds like a belt problem, and a new belt is needed , since the poster says he likes the table, except for the problematic belt.
Just like a belt for a car , the correct part is essential, look for an OEM part first . To me it sounds like the belt is just the wrong size, because a lot of players don't use a groove on the platter and they seem to work just fine, although I have never owned one.
It is possible to boil rubber in water to restore elasticity, but I don't know what that would do if something is stretched out . I only boiled some real old tether car tires until the flat sports disappeared , took about twenty minutes. I would certainly try that before dropping a thousand bucks to solve a belt problem. But my first choice would be a factory belt, not an internet aftermarket deal that says, " fits so an so "
Second choice , and very distant second if the OEm belt is unattainable is sourcing from a supplier with a store in the business of replacement parts, not just one guy selling out of a bin down at amazon or where ever that might not even touch the merchandise.
My brother had the same problem with his Orbit (his cat got hold of the belt and stretched it). The solution was to order a new belt from U-Turn.
They ship quickly. Their customer service is outstanding.
...just get something that works.
Sounds to me like there's an issue with your Orbit. Based on everything I've read, U-turn has great customer service. You might want to contact support before dropping a grand on a new deck.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
although I have read reports of great happiness with rim drive, I consider it a nostalgia design, because no contemporary competitive in the market company markets such design, and the happy guys all seem to be locked into a retro system , eschewing other designs.
I think it is valid to not stress too much , because this advice is right, they pretty much all work, even a wind up victrola . It is only the very subtile details that differentiate performance.
I would additionally offer the advice, and I bet you knew I was going to open my yapper , is to be carful with internet advice, form your own opinions. Many well meaning people , having bought one particular product, will recommend that product, it's just natural . And some reviewers are incentivized to report favorably about a product.
One has to just identify what features and benefits satisfy your personal needs, by sifting through all the information. one additional caution I have with the internet is stuff gets a lot of praise, because the reports build up over time , and ir could be all the positive reviews were influenced by what was in the market way back then.
I am not saying some designs are no longer valid , but some get left behind after twenty five years or so, while the positive reviews from that time live on. As with rim drive tables. The only one I know of I modern production, and not even sure of that, is from a company that seems to follow the internet fad of the moment, and then brings out a product with that feature. They have rim drive, multiple belts, flywheels , take your pick.
Wanting to buy american , and within my budget, I almost bought a table from that company, which they surprisingly only marketed for a couple of years, not a common practice in the industry.
I am glad I went with a conservative proven design, I am not made out of money, that has been considered competitive in the market since the 1978, and is still selling, although the price has shot upward since I got mine.
I am so old that I remember dragging my then teenaged girlfriend on a Sunday afternoon to the local foreign-car emporium because they'd left a Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow outside, with the plebian Mercedeses.
The sticker price made our eyes bulge: $16,000 or so.
I can only imagine what this TT costs today.
amb,
john
I believe the tonearm on the right is an SAT (from Sweden), which starts at $28K by itself. Goodness knows what the PBN direct drive turntable is priced....it's certainly a serious design.
My vote is for Denon. I have a Denon DP-57M with Goldring G3 cartridge. It sounds very nice IMHO.
A little hard to find, but here's one for $750 CAD. About $550 USD
mg16
If you like your current turntable, I'd be surprised if there isn't an easy fix to your problem. I'd contact the manufacturer or try one of the solutions mentioned here. But if you want to move on to DD, I would make a beeline to the $1099 Technics SL-100C.
I've looked at the SL-100C with some definite interest. That one has some features I've been interested in for some time, apart from being a DD.
"'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice./And when justice is gone, there's always force./And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!" Laurie Anderson, "O Superman (For Massenet)"
I would get this one for sure. DD is the way to go. also, it's got auto lift which is so great if you do things like cook/socialize while listening.
Best of the older direct drives at a reasonable price are the Kenwood 500 and 600 series that look like cast quartz or concrete. The 500 and 600 came without tone arms. The 550 and 650 came with tone arms. A Rega RB-300 is a good match with the 500 or 600. The main difference between them is that the 600 is quartz locked.The 500 has knobs to set speed.
Before I'd spend $1K or more or a new turntable, I'd clean the belt and the entire face of the platter's edge with isopropyl alcohol. Then as a secondary option perhaps a little talc on the belt. Then as a third option, maybe a new belt. The best way to single handedly put the belt back on is to use Scotch Tape. Tape it centered on the platter's edge as as you work your way around the perimeter of the platter. Eventually you'll be able to easily slip it over the drive hub/spindle. Then remove the tape of course. If this all fails, maybe a Technics 1200GR, but it'll be closer to $2K. A far less pricy option would be the Pioneer PLX 1000 for well under $1K. That said, there's probably dozens of other options if it comes to buying a new direct drive turntable. Its just that those two come to mind first.
Excellent suggestions. Thanks!
"'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice./And when justice is gone, there's always force./And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!" Laurie Anderson, "O Superman (For Massenet)"
You bet ;)
Is the belt riding at the center of the platter? If not, you can often adjust the pulley height by loosening a set screw that holds the pulley in place on the shaft. Set the pulley level with the center of the platter and tighten it back up.
NT
I'll have to check that. Thanks!
"'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice./And when justice is gone, there's always force./And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!" Laurie Anderson, "O Superman (For Massenet)"
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