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In Reply to: RE: A.C.O.T.D. - Metal Mania posted by rivervalley817 on February 16, 2021 at 07:54:56
So much fun watching old fogeys discuss musical genres. Me trying to respond to this thread -
having heard this video :
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Bottom line - heavy metal sucks!
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Grand Funk & Chicago are NOT heavy metal
heavy metal does NOT suck
I may be old but am NOT a 'fogey'
that's THREE capitalized 'NOT's you've been given young man
I hope you've learned your lesson, don't make me add a FOURTH!
That's the problem you are an old fogey and like most fogeys you are in denial. Your comments about heavy metal music blow by me like Homers comments about rock music blow by his kids.
I won't deny hearing Blue Cheer influence on Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Grand Funk Railroad were the foundation upon which Heavy Metal formed. I wouldn't classify either Zeppelin or GFR as being Heavy Metal. If anything Black Sabbath could be called the first Heavy Metal band. More importantly they are often considered the first Metal band, which isn't a topic in this thread.
I think it's more appropriate that Kiss be afforded the honor of being the first Heavy Metal band.
Any band considered Heavy Metal has to be a good rock band, be it hard rock, blues rock, punk rock, etc. for it to be a good band, at least in my opinion though I think many fans might not even notice. Any rock band can be Heavy Metal as it an act or a persona of the band more than the style of the music being played. Seems I hear more ballads listening to Heavy Metal bands than I hear scorchers.
Someone else mentions Alice Cooper being the first Heavy Metal artist and I find it to be a very credible comment worthy of consideration.
'you are an old fogey'
nu uh! ... look up fogey, it means finicky and particular, that's not me
well, not any more so than anyone else ... I'll cop to the old part, that's just part of my 'mission statement' of staying alive and whatnot
say ... what happened to your original post? it was alright
look, I don't take conversations about music, gear, or age personal that's bs, who cares?
'Any rock band can be Heavy Metal'
if they actually play it of course ... I just think Blue Cheer did it first because they displayed all the qualities that came to define it first ... that's all ... any ballads out of BC came pretty far along in their history not as a genesis but to buy grits ... drugs, booze, stuff!
I did consider AC as a metal candidate for all of 2 sec. but by his own words, they're a hard rock band ... not glam nor art or anything but rock
this is kind of a silly exchange and lighthearted for me so I hope you don't mind me being absolutely right and owning your a** on the subject so take all those weenie bands you brought up and give 'em pork soda!
[see, that's metal!!]
lol, thanks for the reply man, good times
First Heavy Metal cover?
That Alice Cooper stage show had influence. Like I said my opinion about Heavy Metal is more about about the persona or the act. The music has to be loud? Far as I know nobody ever called the Who heavy metal and they had one of the best and loudest shows.
Simple question who were the most successful Heavy Metal acts of our lifetime? Def Leppard and Van Halen? Kiss?
yes, of course it has to be loud ... now remember, I point to Blue Cheer as 'proto metal' as the beginning, others cite them as proto other things too ... I dunno, read up on them, give it a listen, ignore the whole thing?
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I'm not sure about success ... by what measure?
record sales? concert attendance? longevity?
if it's fan loyalty Blue Cheer has some of the oldest!
of course a lot of them have gone the way of Dickei Peterson by now
again, the three bands you name drop in your 'simple' question are NOT metal acts
anyway, I'd guess by most criteria Sabbath would be the answer
anyway, as big a kick as it's been reading you pulling my chain and trolling on this I'm going to step off now ... I don't think you've really ever heard this band though or you wouldn't have these type of questions
Never said they were Metal bands - I said they were Heavy Metal bands.
but, but ... just go listen to BC for cryin' eye
[I think that CV19 vax is starting to drag my ass]
Thanks for the link. Here's a link for you
nice! Holden is still active playing & producing ... he basically took the wheel on side B of Blue Cheer's 'New & Improved' where two extended jams comprise the entire side; it's good stuff! it was also fairly influential ... I can hear echoes of it in some of David Gilmour's melodic excursions amongst other players
here's a for instance: Spooky Tooth's 'Wrong Time Wrong Place'
[which is heavy ... but not metal]
I have that album somewhere
That's really cool I never heard them before. Another similar kind of band was Iron Butterfly. I appreciate this kind of music now more than when I was a kid BTW.
Off topic but as I learn more and more about 60s rock the more I appreciate American bands from that era.
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The guitarist from Blue Cheer's 3rd lp is having an album released that Classic Rock magazine suggests might have been the first heavy metal record ever released beating Black Sabbaths debut by a couple of months. If it actually had been released.
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I'm a little late to this conversation. In Fall of '67,
I was a freshman in college, in North Carolina. I was bombarded by soul music and the usual pop artists. The Duke radio station played Blue Cheer doing "Summertime Blues". My spirits lifted and my world of music expanded. Whatever you want to call their type of music, I sought it out then and I continued to do so. Thank you, Blue Cheer.
fantastic! Cheers Boboli!
[love your pre-made pizza crusts btw ... I kid U!]
as a fan boy ... I first heard & saw them on American Bandstand
it made me sit up and exclaim:
"what the hell was that? what did I just hear? who ARE those guys?!!"
nobody that I had heard was playing anything remotely like that
some may say 'thank heavens for THAT' but it was pretty revelatory to me
nice to see there's still some love for the fast loud n' proud
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