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It's Metal Monday, let's dig through my collection and check out some Metal LPs and twelve inchers. This is just a small sampling of the Genre.
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That Grim Reaper track....Reminds me of:
(PS How do we embed videos in this forum?)
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damn ... that's some metal obscuria right there!
I think that you're the perfect candidate to ask:
I maintain that the first band to qualify as 'heavy metal' was Blue Cheer
after searching far & wide, seeking high & low I've not found a better match
would you agree or do you have anyone else that would qualify?
best regards,
that's '67. Before that was Alice Cooper in '65, but there must have been a few more.
Jimi's Experience came over from England with his Marshall amps in '67 and lit the U.S. on fire.
I was thinking about who? a few days ago - any others?
their start up was 1966 though [the unofficial band of the Hell's Angles] and though there were 'psychedelic' blues rock bands that were contemporaries like the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Alice Cooper, Steppenwolf, Jefferson Airplane, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Yardbirds, The Who, Kinks, Golden Earring, Accept, Scorpions [even The Sonics out of Minneapolis / Seattle] ... I just can't place them in the same 'metal' genre ...Blue Cheer had the volume, [often] distorted guitar and freight train bass /drumming rhythm that most closely resembles what I consider the hallmarks of 'heavy' and 'metal'
so that's why they get my nod as the progenitors: stripped down & full speed ahead rock with a lot of 'outlaw' themes in the tunes ... saw them once and they were just brutal, in a good way!
thanks for the reply and being the collector that you are!
regards,
but of course it will be either forgotten or lost in AA somewhere.
It would be important to note a distinction for Heavy rock and Metal style. And along the way it got twisted years later into sub genre crapola.
I had a drum student back in early nineties that brought me his solo tape he made of his music showing the influences of his years. Now mind you, he was a very nice kid from a good family but all I heard was drum machine & droning guitar with a mouth on a microphone yelling and distorting his single note screaming vocals. I could make out not a single word let alone any sense to it. He wasn't the only one, there were a few students with a desire to do 'different things'.
The 'rock is dead' 'Who' thing took a while to get buried as there were quite a bunch of writers with different ideas about the 1-4-5 chords, and some of it was quite accomplished mostly due to learned producers with a good ear. And I really appreciate bands like Van Halen that would borrow great hit song ideas from the past and rock them like they wanted to. Nothing wrong with that, I have all their original vinyl with Templeman producer. He also did Montrose and Doobies.
IME, in performed music there's 'defined' and 'redefined' which doesn't always involve refinement ... it can involve deconstruction, yet there's always boundaries ... the only unbounded musical events that occur are in nature and accidental [sorry birds, you've been disqualified by your 'songs'] all music springs from the human predilection to impose order and patterns on perception ... and now I'm off in the weeds on this
anyway, that's why I've indicated the band I did as progenitors of a rock sub-genre ... but they didn't necessarily set out to do this
of course they played simple chord changes that never strayed far from traditional blues /rock progressions etc. but the presentation broke some new ground just as their lyrical themes echoed the splinter culture they sprang from ... my approach to looking back at the roots of this subject is more in keeping with my background education in social anthropology, not just a music fan boy ... also in keeping with the 'red meat' question thrown out, while noting what reactions / responses are elicited; thank gawd you weighed in on it! and I thoroughly appreciate Goober's input too!
ah well, there's still only 12 notes employed in the 'western scale' of musical composition so once melodic and lyrical content is stripped away things look a lot more 'same' than they do 'different' ... only our ears can tell us truth while only experience will find the unique
thank you Story for posting on, and elevating the thread, and I want the Cactus Cowboy's vinyl stash to an almost embarrassing degree
best regards,
btw, I don't know if you listened to Blue Cheer but their drummer Paul Waley, in addition to having an excellent rock name, is really a pretty accomplished 'pounder' that can move around his kit with great facility
and power ... you won't hear any press rolls or paradiddles from him though ... unless they're by accident ... his drumming speaks to me though
best regards again,
when I was a wee lad it was da bomb. Everybody wanted a garage band to play it. When I played in my first garage band they called them garage bands for a very good reason. Mom said "NOT IN THE HOUSE!". The neighbors either came over to listen, or called the cops. The cops knew us quite well because my older bro had a band before me so they came right over to #39 hillcrest.
it's nice to have an older sibling to 'break them in' eh?
your prior point about 'heavy meta' or hardcore ...
I despise 'cookie monster' vox ... a band can be crunching along when !!!!
regards,
So much fun watching old fogeys discuss musical genres. Me trying to respond to this thread -
having heard this video :
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Bottom line - heavy metal sucks!
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Grand Funk & Chicago are NOT heavy metal
heavy metal does NOT suck
I may be old but am NOT a 'fogey'
that's THREE capitalized 'NOT's you've been given young man
I hope you've learned your lesson, don't make me add a FOURTH!
; )
regards,
That's the problem you are an old fogey and like most fogeys you are in denial. Your comments about heavy metal music blow by me like Homers comments about rock music blow by his kids.I won't deny hearing Blue Cheer influence on Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Grand Funk Railroad were the foundation upon which Heavy Metal formed. I wouldn't classify either Zeppelin or GFR as being Heavy Metal. If anything Black Sabbath could be called the first Heavy Metal band. More importantly they are often considered the first Metal band, which isn't a topic in this thread.
I think it's more appropriate that Kiss be afforded the honor of being the first Heavy Metal band.
Any band considered Heavy Metal has to be a good rock band, be it hard rock, blues rock, punk rock, etc. for it to be a good band, at least in my opinion though I think many fans might not even notice. Any rock band can be Heavy Metal as it an act or a persona of the band more than the style of the music being played. Seems I hear more ballads listening to Heavy Metal bands than I hear scorchers.
Someone else mentions Alice Cooper being the first Heavy Metal artist and I find it to be a very credible comment worthy of consideration.
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'you are an old fogey'
nu uh! ... look up fogey, it means finicky and particular, that's not me
well, not any more so than anyone else ... I'll cop to the old part, that's just part of my 'mission statement' of staying alive and whatnot
say ... what happened to your original post? it was alright
look, I don't take conversations about music, gear, or age personal that's bs, who cares?
'Any rock band can be Heavy Metal'
if they actually play it of course ... I just think Blue Cheer did it first because they displayed all the qualities that came to define it first ... that's all ... any ballads out of BC came pretty far along in their history not as a genesis but to buy grits ... drugs, booze, stuff!
I did consider AC as a metal candidate for all of 2 sec. but by his own words, they're a hard rock band ... not glam nor art or anything but rock
this is kind of a silly exchange and lighthearted for me so I hope you don't mind me being absolutely right and owning your a** on the subject so take all those weenie bands you brought up and give 'em pork soda!
[see, that's metal!!]
lol, thanks for the reply man, good times
best regards,
First Heavy Metal cover?
That Alice Cooper stage show had influence. Like I said my opinion about Heavy Metal is more about about the persona or the act. The music has to be loud? Far as I know nobody ever called the Who heavy metal and they had one of the best and loudest shows.Simple question who were the most successful Heavy Metal acts of our lifetime? Def Leppard and Van Halen? Kiss?
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yes, of course it has to be loud ... now remember, I point to Blue Cheer as 'proto metal' as the beginning, others cite them as proto other things too ... I dunno, read up on them, give it a listen, ignore the whole thing?
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I'm not sure about success ... by what measure?
record sales? concert attendance? longevity?
if it's fan loyalty Blue Cheer has some of the oldest!
*wink*
of course a lot of them have gone the way of Dickei Peterson by now
again, the three bands you name drop in your 'simple' question are NOT metal acts
jeez
anyway, I'd guess by most criteria Sabbath would be the answer
anyway, as big a kick as it's been reading you pulling my chain and trolling on this I'm going to step off now ... I don't think you've really ever heard this band though or you wouldn't have these type of questions
bestest regardest,
Never said they were Metal bands - I said they were Heavy Metal bands.
-out-
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but, but ... just go listen to BC for cryin' eye
alright? later
[I think that CV19 vax is starting to drag my ass]
Thanks for the link. Here's a link for you
nice! Holden is still active playing & producing ... he basically took the wheel on side B of Blue Cheer's 'New & Improved' where two extended jams comprise the entire side; it's good stuff! it was also fairly influential ... I can hear echoes of it in some of David Gilmour's melodic excursions amongst other players
here's a for instance: Spooky Tooth's 'Wrong Time Wrong Place'
[which is heavy ... but not metal]
regards,
I have that album somewhere
That's really cool I never heard them before. Another similar kind of band was Iron Butterfly. I appreciate this kind of music now more than when I was a kid BTW.
Off topic but as I learn more and more about 60s rock the more I appreciate American bands from that era.
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The guitarist from Blue Cheer's 3rd lp is having an album released that Classic Rock magazine suggests might have been the first heavy metal record ever released beating Black Sabbaths debut by a couple of months. If it actually had been released.
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I'm a little late to this conversation. In Fall of '67,
I was a freshman in college, in North Carolina. I was bombarded by soul music and the usual pop artists. The Duke radio station played Blue Cheer doing "Summertime Blues". My spirits lifted and my world of music expanded. Whatever you want to call their type of music, I sought it out then and I continued to do so. Thank you, Blue Cheer.
fantastic! Cheers Boboli!
[love your pre-made pizza crusts btw ... I kid U!]
as a fan boy ... I first heard & saw them on American Bandstand
it made me sit up and exclaim:
"what the hell was that? what did I just hear? who ARE those guys?!!"
nobody that I had heard was playing anything remotely like that
some may say 'thank heavens for THAT' but it was pretty revelatory to me
nice to see there's still some love for the fast loud n' proud
with regards,
I bet they keep you busy.
with original drummer Leonard Haze and they were super tight. Great show.
What, no Montrose?
Some of the dumbest album covers ever.
The best part was the handsome guy holding the Bartok L.P.;)
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Freak out...Far out...In out....
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I'm trying to understand what Bartok has to do with Metal?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
It's not metal, but at least 2 of Emerson, Lake and Palmer's songs are taken directly from Bartok, The Barbarian and Knife Edge, both from the first album.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Heck, once I even walked out of a Bartok concert at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw. I thought the lady was going to smash the keys right off the keyboard.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
the very beginning surely must be non other than JS Bach pounding that pipe organ. The volume, the bass, the splendor. I love it.
what about The Ride of the Valkyries by Wagne!!
the gunship & attack helicopters / the smell of napalm in the morning!!
who else wrote that into their scores? he was the heaviest of American composers!!
[yeah I know]
You don't see the Pantera album there?
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