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In Reply to: RE: Matching low output moving coil cartridge to SUT posted by John Elison on January 21, 2018 at 09:32:58
listen.... if you want to believe your rising HF response and huge amount of IM distortions are ok with you then, I am ok with that its your money! audiophiles want to believe or have been brainwashed in MC cartridges there is NO money in MM's.
I am stating facts here.... yours are believe systems...in believing in a manufacturing company who can and do tell lies....why?? because they can not make a good flat FR MC ....sorry bud your all wet on this.
Hey I used to be brainwashed too...Now I think for and listen for myself! I have nothing to sell! I figure out why things are the way they are...
now I can understand if you have messed up speakers that have no highs mc cartridges can work an EQ if you will..:)
or you may have tube amp maybe a (think SE) that has rolled off highs...
many ways to go about it....BUT if you have good flat response speaker like I do 13-100kc then a good MM will win every time.
Hell I still play all the time my MC's that I still own but selling off slowly..... Fulton blue MC, entre ec 15x limited entre ec20 with sapphire cantilever denon 103r, fulton Diamond....they all fall very short(colored) even with compensation RC filter done right...
all good just stating the facts here..
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> if you want to believe your rising HF response and huge amount of IM distortions are ok with you then, I am ok with that its your money!
I'm curious if you've ever measured IM distortion on a phono cartridge. I have! From my measurements, it appears that the Shure V-15VxMR MM cartridge has more than twice the IM distortion as the Audio Technica OC9ML/II MC cartridge. It also appears that the Shure MM cartridge has more harmonic distortion than the Audio Technica MC cartridge, too. These measurements were done with the same test records and both cartridges were mounted in my Sota Millennia Vacuum turntable with SME V tonearm using a Pass Labs XOno phono stage.
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lets see some IM test on your Mc cartridges :)
BTW I do NOT use that shure cartridge...I use v15 III! please read what I write, we were talking about MC cartridges having terrible coloration's from obvious sources like extra wiring/sut or extra gain stage in phono along with hi loading MC's 1000ohms or 47k ohms! this will have lots more IM then good MM's, what this means is you need to load down the MC cart close to the DCR of the cartridge THEN and only then will you lessen IM
it will start to sound like master tape.... but as with anything there is no free lunch...Please if you serious about audio and like to test things this should be easy for you to try, load them MC's down!
If you read the article you will see that 4 recording engineers all agree if you want to hear what you recorded USE MM cartridges NOT MC these guys can afford to buy any cartridge that they like :)
Lawrence
You're obviously blind as well as deaf. I presented measurements for the Shure V15VxMR moving magnet cartridge and the Audio Technica OC9ML/II moving coil cartridge. The moving coil cartridge had less than half the distortion of the moving magnet cartridge. Moving coil cartridges are simply better than moving magnet cartridges.
> If you read the article you will see that 4 recording engineers all agree if you want to hear
> what you recorded USE MM cartridges NOT MC these guys can afford to buy any cartridge that they like
I don't need to read an article; I have ears; I measure and I listen. Furthermore, I can afford to buy any cartridge that I like and I like moving coils. Perhaps you don't have any money, but I do and I like moving coil cartridges better than moving magnet cartridges. I've owned at least 10 or more of each type over the years and there's no question in my mind that moving coils are far superior in all respects to moving magnets.
If you like moving magnets, that fine with me, but I don't like them. You obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to distortion comparisons between moving magnet cartridges and moving coil cartridges. So bet it! Enjoy your moving magnet cartridges and let me enjoy my moving coils.
Happy listening!
John Elison
Wow now your insulting me?! ...You want to be a "know it all" narcissistic asshole I cannot help you...you can't help stupid.....but you are dead wrong...What I present is True end of story... are deaf?.. your an OLD MAN! I am NOT
I find this a lot in this hobby(know it all syndrome) , I see you keep posting in several threads your superiority .....12 grand for speakers that almost go down to 30 cycles is ridiculous, then you need to spend more money for subs LOL OMG dude this is 2018 NOT 1945 ha....seems you have more money then brains .....but then again this is what is presented today way over priced underachieving equipment.
good luck your going to need it...... or other people will need the luck to wade through your BS.
spend your money be a good boy :)
> Wow now your insulting me?!
Actually, I think it's the other way around!
What you believe about phono cartridges is simply not true. Moving magnet cartridges do not produce lower distortion levels than moving coil cartridges and the rising high frequency response of moving coils does not make them sound worse -- it's purposely done to make them sound better. Furthermore, the type of cartridge I use is based on my preference, which in turn is based on years of experience in both listening and measuring phono cartridges. I seriously doubt you've ever made a phono cartridge measurement in your life other than possibly measuring tracking force. I've been measuring frequency response, crosstalk, and distortion in phono cartridges almost as long as I've been listening to them. Therefore, it's rather insulting to me when you try to pass off your myths about phono cartridges in the name of truth.
If you want to learn something and possibly experience a revelation in vinyl listening, you should buy a moving coil cartridge and find out what good cartridges can sound like. Otherwise, please feel free to continue enjoying your moving magnet phono cartridges while letting those of us who enjoy moving coils continue to experience vinyl reproduction the way we like it best.
Regards,
John Elison
> listen.... if you want to believe your rising HF response and huge amount of IM distortions are ok with you then, I am ok with that its your money!
Thank you! I do understand the truth about vinyl reproduction and I also believe my ears. I've been an audio enthusiast since I was 12-years old and I have a very good idea of what pleases me. You don't need to speculate about my equipment because it's listed here just like yours. I have linear phase speakers and an ultra-low output moving coil cartridge. My vinyl front-end sounds as good as any I've encountered. My system is accurate and transparent with very natural sound quality and excellent imaging.
It seems to me that you're upset that I enjoy moving coil phono cartridges. Well, that's okay with me because I've achieved my goals for an accurate and musically pleasing audio system. I've been doing this long enough to know the truth about vinyl reproduction and I've accumulated an awesome sounding vinyl front-end. You, on the other hand, seem to be living in a fantasy world, but that's fine, too. This is a hobby and if you enjoy your audio hobby, that's all that really matters. After all, audio is basically a personal hobby. The only thing that counts is whether you're happy with your own system. It's not necessary for you to be happy with my system, although I suspect you might be impressed if you ever heard it. No matter! I'm very happy with my system and that's what's important to me.
Good luck,
John Elison
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Final words, the hobby used to mean something, like trying to replicate the live non-amplified event...it seems nowa days its just do whatever you like in that if it pleases you then its perfect LOL.
This has been the downfall of the audio community and the progression in audio playback in general, and why the MC cartridge is still basically the same in over 40 years.
Personally I still adhere to the old adage.
good luck be well :)
Lawrence
It all comes down to preference .
Me, mc just have this, how do I put it, a certain "edge" to them that after a time just, I don't know, too analytical?
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As long as you know what you like, and you have a system that pleases you, it doesn't get any better than that!
Best regards,
John Elison
ya, that's it.
What ever gets you dancing in front of your speakers.
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