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First...it is not the Asylum Trader's fault. This is being posted here to protect fellow inmates from additional fraud.
I posted a turntable up for sale some time ago and received an email from a prospective buyer. The turntable was to be paid for by PayPal only but the buyer wanted to deal with a check. This was suspicious.
I told the prospective buyer that they could send the funds but they would have to wait until the check was deposited and the funds cleared my bank.
I waited over a week until the check arrived and International Money Orders were is the envelope. This was even more suspicious. I deposited the money orders and they initially cleared.
The contacted the buyer and told them that the checks cleared. I received an email that they no longer wanted the turntable and could I refund their money. I was very suspicious at this point.
A day later I received another email asking whether I had refunded the money and I told the buyer they would have to wait until I could get a chance to go to the bank.
Today I found out that the money orders had been returned unpaid.
Please look out for this person. The individual identified themself as:
Name: Ema Samson
email address: antiquebuyer20177@gmail.com
They also claim to live in Athens, Greece (which is a deal breaker anyway since I won't ship internationally).
Fortunately I am not out any money or any hardware.
Be Aware,
Ed
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Follow Ups:
I told them I could send them their money via Western Union and they liked the idea. This was the same day I found out about the fraudulent money orders. So I played along.
I have sent them 3 emails leading them along and, as of this morning, they are still asking when I can send the transfer information. I am responding with silence.
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Yes, I am also in silent mode on Ema. Got my little file with copies of the emails and the MoneyGrams, unsigned and dated last February.
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
At the link below...
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
You should contact the FBI. They have a whole division which deals with this stuff. It'd be good to get them involved while the deal is still active. Pretty soon, the criminals will lose interest in you and move on - then this opportunity to catch them is lost.
My banks tell me checks can take FOREVER to clear. Like six months.
Yeah, I know, makes no sense to me either but that's what I've been told.
I'm postal money order or paypal only. Shipping to lower 48 only - no exceptions, ever.
"To Learn Who Rules Over You, Simply Find Out Who You Are Not Allowed to Criticize."
-Voltaire
...for return items. Few people understand the parts of the Uniform Commercial Code that apply to checking accounts.
They are guaranteed by the bank that issued the check since they have already been funded, you just have to be careful of fraud with counterfeit checks, same as you would with money. Should always clear within a few days, though.
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Paypal only, especially for international deals. I don't care for their upcharges, but you do get something for that money.
Which could take three or more weeks to find out there is no such entity. As noted, your bank will accept it and pass it along as they aren't taking any risk for a bad transaction. I once got $3500 in very obviously fake American Express Traveler's Checques. As I was bored I strung the buyer along for a good three or four weeks playing dumb. "Bank took the checks, should clear in a week or so;" "Still waiting;" "Bank says there may be a problem;" "May be fake;" etc.
...to like the asylum! Thanks for the heads up.
And thanks for the alert.
"The piano ain't got no wrong notes." Thelonious Monk
Exactly. Same guy(?).
I have the MoneyGrams for $1900 to pay for my headphone amp which was $500. My bank said don't do it and I didn't. I will file his crap away.
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Check cashing scamers aren't limited to just international. A friend took the bait some years ago. Upon revisiting the check cashing outlet several different local and federal agencies surrounded him.
Thanks for the heads-up and glad you didn't get burned.
Not sure I understand how the money orders "initially cleared" but were later returned unpaid. Seems if the bank cleared them then they were clear? Were you told they were good then, or that you had to wait some period of time before they "fully" cleared?
Just want to make sure I never jump the gun and send something if there are potential consequences later on...
This is a variation of a common scam, often run out of Nigeria. They send a fake cashiers check or money order, which looks good enough for the bank to accept. But technically, you are responsible for whatever you deposit, so when the back submits the check to whatever bank its drawn on, and finds out its fake, they take back any money they might have deposited in your account. In that window of time before the bank realizes the check or money order is bogus, the scammers try to get you to send them a refund. In my past life as a news reporter, we once caught them scamming a little old lady selling handmade clocks. She "refunded" them $2000. I actually got a privtae eye I knew to send an associate to a London bank to stop the transfer before the scammers could withdraw it, so she got her money back. That almost never happens, so seller beware.
Though the item was a TT, better to post on the General forum where more inmates may see it.
A few years back I had some Puerto Rican buyer send me a bank money order from a Florida bank, even though I told him that I wouldn't cash it, amplifier was pick up only. Money order looked legit,my bank said it could take up to 30 days to confirm if it was a real money order. I tore it up, never heard back from the seller.
I knew it was a bad money order, amp was for sale for $700, money order was for $2,000. The old "send me the difference" scam. Glad you didn't get burned.
Thomas
"In a democracy, uneducated voters get the leaders they deserve."
You're not the only one.
"Yamaha 01V96 V2 Here's another scammer, same routine as before, wants all your contact details and sends you Counterfeit Amex Euro Travellers cheques for more than the item you're selling, my cheques were posted from Greece, the phrase "beware of Greeks bearing gifts" I reported this to SOS, the email address of antiquebuyer20177@gmail.com was used and the name used was Ema Samson, I'm sure they will try again so take care, insist on collection only, that got them to stop sending me emails."
Tre'
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