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In Reply to: RE: Huh? Damn near all masters are digital, not analog. posted by John Elison on August 02, 2017 at 09:44:30
"All they would need to do is make a playable master lacquer from their finished master and use it to make their CDs."Since the actual recording and master of 99.99999% of recordings made in the last few decades is digital, what you are saying amounts to: what makes analog sound like analog is playing a record. Apparently to you whether the original RECORDING and master were done via analog or digital is of no consequence.
Nevermind.
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I think this idea way off. A lot of artists are recording analog. Be it pop/rock or jazz or classical. Are analog recordings in the minority? Sure but not like what you claim. And no, I am not taking your number literally.
Can you name 10 jazz and 10 classical recordings made in the last 20 years that were analog recordings? Hope you won't list audiophile niche stuff. I know a few scattered rock/pop/blues records were/are still recorded analog, but do you seriously believe its more than 1 or 2 percent of all the recordings released? Can't think of one single new jazz recording I've bought in the last coupla decades that is an analog recording.
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I can probably name 10 of each that were released in the last year. Same with pop/rock. Are you keeping up on this sort of stuff?
Been trying, but so far my Googling hasn't resulted in finding out what % of recordings in either 2016 or 2017 was done in analog.
Scott, I'm all for analog recording. But reality is reality. Its been a niche thing for decades and as far as I can tell will remain a tiny % of all recordings.
Dunno how you're even gonna find out what type of recording new releases are. I just checked the last 5 cd's I bought:
Elliot Galvin Trio - Punnch
SFJazz - Music of Miles Davis
Manuel Valera & New Cuban Express - Expectivas
Adam Kolker - Beckon
Ambrose Akinmusire - A Rift In Decorum
Not a word indicating whether the recordings were analog or digital.
I think Tacet just dropped at least 5 or 6 new LPs that are all analog
https://www.tacet.de/main/seite1.php?itemsPerPage=300&language=en&filename=katalog.php&type=LP-180g&search=yes
Fone. These guys are putting out new jazz and classical every year
http://fone.it/
There was this big one from the Berlin Phil.Brahms symphonies recorded direct to disc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBf3OBMjRAg
There's Jack White and everything he puts out
http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-jack-white
Gillian Welch is making records
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/gillian-welch-analog-artist-living-digital-era-article-1.3372686
Pink Martini has recorded many of their albums on analog tape. Not sure how recently they have done that though.
These guys are constantly releasing new recordings.
http://www.berlinermeisterschallplatten.de/en/direct_to_disc
These guys
http://www.chasingthedragon.co.uk/
http://www.handdrawnrecords.com/coming-soon-new-all-analog-vinyl-compilation-record/
There are plenty more if you want me to dig them up.
I personally wrote to Andreas Spreer a few years ago regarding Tacet's Ravel Bolero etc. album, and he confirmed in his reply to me that the master was 24/96 PCM. So unless he had some kind of parallel analog tape recording going on too, I'm not sure you can count that title (or indeed most of the titles on your Tacet list) as an analog-originated recording (even though he did use tube equipment on some of them).
""Tube Only" means: only tube microphones and amplifiers were used for the recording. For transfer to a digital disc (CD, DVD or SACD) a connection to an A/D- or a DSD transformer must be activated. For the LP, however, (except for rare exceptions, justified for musical reasons) the signal is even stored on a tube tape recorder and then mastered with valve equipment, so that one would be right in saying that for the entire production not a single transistor was used."So maybe that was the "rare exception?"
Also, it is not uncommon for modern analog recordings to have a hi res digital recording made off of the same mic feeds. Why not?
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All analog. Killer music!
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"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
I think you're getting hung up on the word "analog." I didn't use that word in the posts to which you are responding. I thought this thread was about "digital" and "vinyl." What I said was, "If you want digital to sound like vinyl, all you have to do is copy a vinyl record with a digital recorder." Then I modified that to suggest all that would be necessary is to cut a playable master lacquer from the "finished master" and copy it using a digital recorder. Then, produce the CDs from the digital copy.
I don't understand why you're having such a problem with this. You seem to be the only person here who doesn't understand.
I guess maybe you didn't know that a lot of CD/DVD-A/SACD package releases are actually doing just that? This pretty common practice. Look at any of the Steve Wilson surround remixes of prog rock classics. They have his surround sound remix, his stereo remix, a flat hi res digital transfer of the original master tape and a needle drop all in one package.
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