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In Reply to: RE: "Nor, in the case of [ ]Shure, should you need worry about inherent suspension degradation over many decades" posted by 1973shovel on July 19, 2017 at 09:35:18
Come off it: it doesn't say that.
Explain why I've dozennns of original stylii (NOS), 70's on, that are fine/'as new' - sealed-cased/checked...including Illinois N91ED...even those previously used - and nearly 50yo.
How much OZONE do you think's going to get to/affect them? (big ozone hole above the USofA ??).
Old Wives' Scare Tactics - however, JAP elastomers are not time-stable, from my experience: which is not the point, here.
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I hope the moderator deletes your post! There is no room for that sort of low life racist crap in today's world!
By the way the OEM cartridge and stylus in my Audio Technica Mister Disc still work fine. So take that!
Phil
You Hope - You Hope...presumably referring to those folks you Atomised - and who ate your Sailors with Rice: Yummy....
A not unreasonable assumption is that quite a few remaining 'regulars' hereabouts are essentially Institutionalised...happy to endlessly read/write the same old stuff.
Scarcely any of you actually USE such vintage cartridges, then gaily inform me of your Historical Recollections/Assumptions.
The OVERWEENING ARROGANCE displayed upon writing what 'you' don't wish to read/believe is Laughable: scarcely surprising that most folks have departed over the years (if you hadn't noticed) - and the amount of useful info that can be gleaned is utterly minimal.
Certainly not worth me bothering anymore!
I chose one answer from the Shure site to re-post. A larger search of the site gives a similar answer regarding suspension hardening numerous times.
Whether or not Shure is correct may be open to debate, but to say "it doesn't say that" when it says exactly that is delusional.
"Explain why I've dozennns of original stylii (NOS), 70's on, that are fine/'as new' - sealed-cased/checked"
Checked? Checked how? Do you have a miniature durometer you check the suspensions with? Rather than suggesting Asylum members are spreading old wives tales, perhaps you don't want to imagine that your cartridges suspensions aren't all that they should be after so many years, even unopened. Then again, they could be fine, and I hope they are. But I'm going on the assumption that Shure, with multi-thousands of cartridges sold over the years, would have more expertise on the subject than you.
We're all free to do and believe what we choose to. I know that if I chose to use my Shure VST V again after all these years, I'd be buying a new Jico stylus with a fresh suspension, rather than a NOS "Official Shure Replacement Stylus" ebay offering which had been stored in somebody's attic for the last thirty years.
"Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be. 'Cause now I'm an amputee" J. Lennon
Trackability test tracks would usually be helpful for checking. If the results are close to the original specs or results from old reviews, that would seem a reasonably good indicator that the suspension is still ok. Alternatively one can also check for deflection und a certain static load, if the static compliance is specified.
It's quite surprising, how many among the old NOS needles are still good, suitable storage conditions provided.
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
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