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In Reply to: RE: TT & Phono stage recommendations posted by Jai on July 08, 2017 at 18:06:00
$500 doesn't go very far in vinyl playback. It used to. But you had to be knowledgeable of what table to buy on ebay. The resurgence of vinyl has driven up prices. BCR gave a TT in your price range. But is that table up to the job? I'd trust John's recommendation more. But its $1k
Ralph gave a good explanation of the shortcomings of vinyl vs digital yesterday on another site. In short, he said the problem with vinyl is the shortcomings of the playback system. Its always been known that creating good vinyl playback is more costly than digital playback. Cheap cartridges enhance surface noise, pops and clicks. Cheap arms wear records through mis-tracking. I used to buy records for 10 cents. That was the alure of vinyl plus they CAN sound better than digital. Now a cheap record is probably $5 or more, if you can find them in good shape. I've been out of the used market so I'm unsure.
Now, if you still want to proceed and you understand that a $500 vinyl experience will most likely be inferior to the same amount spent in digital playback, then continue on by all means. You may enjoy the tactile feel of the album cover and the album itself. This is where the ritual comes in. Lots of info in the cover. Cover art used to be very important.
Vinyl must be clean. So you will need a way to clean your albums before playing them. Not every time. But you will need tgo clean them. I did it by hand for a year or so after getting back into vinyl. I also had a discwasher for maintenance. But its no good for thrift store finds. So you will need a brush to brush off the dust which comes on LP's. Even though they are in a jacket, the dust still finds them. No biggie. $20 for a brush. Then you will need a way to take the static charge from the record. That draws the dust and makes for poor sound too. The Milty Zerostat is $75.
Then there is the ritual itself. get ready to change lift the arm every 20 minutes or so. Never ever touch the grooves. Always use the cue lever to set the needle (stylus) down on the record and use it to lift the arm off the record. Stay away from paper sleeves because they help build up static and dust. get some anti-static sleeves from Sleeve City. New albums will usually come with good sleeves. Thrift store finds will not.
I don't hang around here much but have played vinyl for 55-60 years. The one thing that I suspect all of us on Vinyl asylum enjoy is the vinyl experience. Unlike digital, vinyl demands involvement. If you want convenience, vinyl is not for you. There is a learning curve with vinyl also. That''s part of the involvement. If you enjoy the involvement which vinyl demands, then it can be very rewarding.
I write all this not to scare you off. I began buying records at age 8. I'm 66 now. I bought into the "perfect sound forever" sales pitch and went digital early on. The lack of involvement left me feeling as if I was missing something. I came back to vinyl and hung out a the Thrift stores for years until I built up a substantial collection of LP's. I still play 90% vinyl. I hope you get into it and have the pleasure I and many others have had.
My only concern is your budget and not having enough to get an adequate feel for what is really available. Your Accuphase is good equipment from my understanding. But no system is any better than its weakest link. I'd hate to see you get disappointed in vinyl all because you never gave it a fair chance.
Just one man's thoughts. Sorry for the long post. I wish you the best
You paid HOW MUCH for that electrical receptacle?!!! Are YOU nuts?
A $500 vinyl system will not be adequate for the audiophool, but its not necessarily a bad place to start. My only recommendation is to buy used since (assuming you get bit by the vinyl bug) when you sell it you will recoup most of your investment. I bought my first record player in 1997 and didn't know a thing about them. I got a few records, learned how to set things up and what the parts do and the names of things etc.. I was in college and didn't have much money. 7 years later I bought my first real record player, the technics 1200. I learned about modifying and upgradeing. I learned about tinkering and it was good enough to experiment with some fairly decent carts. I picked up a rek-o-kut and learned about idler drives and DIY. I then picked up a VPI Traveler and get into the realm of modern belt drives. I then sold everything and used that money to pay for a new VPI Prime and I couldn't be happier. All that tinkering over the past 13 years was a blast, and it set me up to get the right table for me and my tastes. I'm done tinkering, all I do now is enjoy.
Also, I totally agree about a record cleaning machine. I used to do it by hand with a shop vac thing I rigged up. My wife bought me a purpose built record cleaning machine for Christmas. Funny thing was I caught wind that it was coming and thought "oh great, we just pissed $500 away on something I don't need or want." but I couldn't tell her that. So I acted surprised and feigned excitement, but then I actually used it!!! A cleaning project that used to take 10 minutes now only takes a minute! Multiply that by the ~1000 records I have and you have one of the most useful time saving possessions I own!!! Lesson learned, don't second guess the wife!
You can't cheat an honest man, never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump -- W.C. Fields
Thank you for your insight and passion.
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