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I've just acquired a VPI Classic 3 with the 10in 3D arm. The effective mass of the arm is 9G. I don't want to spend 2K on a cart just yet.
I have a Shelter 501II whose resonance calculates to ~12Hz. Compliance is too low.
Other Carts I'm considering
AT comes in at 8.2HZ
The Dyna is 10Hz
I can't find the compliance for the Hana
Anybody have recommendations or hear any of these in the Classic 3. I know John Elison loves the ART's. I can get one from 2JUKI for a good price.
Thanks in advance
Edits: 06/12/17Follow Ups:
I really like my new London Decca Super Gold. :)
Congratulations on your new Classic 3 . One suggestion , a VAS NOVA MC cartridge could also be worth checking out. Its less than $2K. Harry W. recommends it . The cartridge manufacturer / designer Steve Leung's factory is right beside the VPI factory . Its made in the New Jersey. My sister has one on her newly acquired Aries 3 and she liked it a lot compared to her Benz Micro Glider .
Hope this helps ,
I have an Ortofon Winfield in my 3D.....is not technicolored in any way. I like it very much - tracks anything with ease. There is a new Winfield...haven't heard it, but it probably is even better.
I originally had the Dynavector 20X2L on my Classic II. I have since upgraded to another Dynavector XX2MKII.
I love the Dynavector sound on my Classic II.
....when I was able to talk to Harry Weisfeld at an audio event. He said that for the JPW arm, the best match among moving coils are the Ortofons and the Lyras.
The most troublesome are the Denons, which don't give good results in his arm. Unfortunately, the Hana apparently has about the same compliance as the Denons.
and have an original Sumiko Celebration (since re-tipped via Soundsmith) and am thinking of a new cartridge. Have been considering a Soundsmith Zephyr Star but now that Lyra has been mentioned: Any opinions of Soundsmith vs Lyra for the same bucks?
The whole problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
...at the meeting where I spent some time gabbing with Harry in the kitchen, he brought and played a Lyra Atlas, the $13,000 top-of-the-line Lyra cartridge. It is definitely the best cartridge I have ever heard at any price, but you probably suspected that.
I second John Ellison on the AT. He and both run the low output ART7. It is far better in all respects than the low output Dyna XX2mk2 I used to run. The ART9 is, according to AT, similar in sonic character but with higher output and more dynamics/less subtlety that the 7. The only caveat I'd offer is to keep in mind that some users report compliance higher that the figure shown in the spec sheet. Hasn't been a problem for me on my HRX/3D 12" arm.
But the gain of my head amp is only 22.5dB, which is the lower limit for the output of the Art7.
If my calculations are correct, the 0.12mv input would result in a 1.6 mv output from the head amp which is below the input sensitivity of my phono pre (2mv).
I could turn up the volume but that would possibly introduce noise.
I'm leaning toward the ART9
I bought John's spare one.
HW has written in an Audiogon thread that the Art-9 and a 3D arm go very well together. I concur.
Is the Ortofon Quintet Black S. It sings very well in the 3D arm.
I have one on my Prime.
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Congratulations on your new turntable. I have the 3D 10 inch arm on my Prime. It sounds good with any Audio Technica or Ortofon that I have tried. I would not hesitate to try an ART9. If you haven't done so yet, I strongly recommend that you get the 2 point pivot kit for the arm.
What is the 2-pint pivot kit?
This link gives you a glimpse of the part that attaches to the arm. There is also a glide plate that attaches to the base of the tower assembly. It is user installed in minutes, but can take a while to dial in, although it is much easier to optimize with the adjustable side weights on your 3D arm. You can get this mod from any VPI dealer for $150. It was developed to stabilize the unipivot arm. The unexpected side benefit is that it improves the sound quite noticeably. There are discussions about it in this forum, in Audiogon, in the VPI Forum, and in others. This mod has only been available for a couple of months so there may still be a waiting list for it, but it is easily the most effective tweak you can do for your VPI turntable. BTW, I second the endorsement for a metal arm if you have a lot of mono records and the use of a mono cartridge. This idea came from Harry and really works well for me on a large collection of old jazz records.
Batman, I have a JMW10.5i on my beefed up Scout. Not exactly your configuration, but....
I have a Sumiko Celebration II (my 2nd one), which I love, but it's a bit out of your target price.
I also have a Grado Statement Reference that was about $1500 new. I also love it - no "Grado hum" problems, warm lush midrange, solid bass (maybe a WEE bit heavy in the bass), nice highs. Tracks well, good soundstage, etc. For a while, VPI was offering JMWs with pre-mounted Grados, so that's some kind of "endorsement".
Finally, I have an extra armwand on which I mounted an Ortofon Quintet Mono (about $525) for mono recordings. Harry more or less endorsed this when I posted a question on the VPI forum. I LOVE IT. If you have a fair amount of mono recordings, you might want to look at it.
That would be a nice solution, having two armwands.
I bought my metal arm used, again per Harry's suggestion. There are a lot of people trading up to 3D arms so metal arms come up reasonably often. Be sure that the arm is compatible, though, as not every 10 inch arm will work. You might check with VPI, as well as some of their dealers to see what is available.
As I recall, about $1000 (yeah, not cheap!). I got mine through Elusive Disc or MusicDirect or one of those places. Mine is NOT the 3D version, but the Classic version.
Sure is convenient though! I can go from stereo to "true mono" in about 10 seconds! I do notice a difference between the mono cartridge and a stereo cartridge with the "mono" (or in my case "sum") switch engaged. Others believe there is no difference. For a REAL mono experience, shut off one channel and listen out of one speaker only!
I think it was George Harrison who said (upon seeing 2 speakers in the Apple Studios), "Why the hell would anyone need more than one speaker?"
Thanks, Rick! I think I'm gonna love this TT.
I always admired Mike's although I don't recall which VPI he had but I'm pretty sure he had a Dynavector 20X in his. We had some great times in his basement! Beer, ribs and music, it doesn't get much better than that.
I think Mike had an HW-19. I've loved my Scout since I got it back in 2005 (my god, that's twelve years ago!). Got the extra thick HRX-type platter, switched from JMW-9 to JMW-10.5i tone arm a few years later. I've thought about "upgrading", but then think "Why?" If I were buying today, I'd probably get a Prime or a Classic-3, though.
I think you'll love yours.
So do I. I had the 20XL on my Scout/JMW-9.
Opus 33 1/3
I recalled your praises of the combo, and others', from several years back, and finally got a DV20X2L for my first generation Scout. Wow. Great combo. Listening to some Taj Mahal on it now. :-).
"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
....completely different things.
If it sounds good then the resonant frequency of the moving system does not matter. If it sounds bad, time to go shopping. Or if you're tired of the Shelter, time to go shopping.
I think it's so much BS, but 12 cycles is considered the upper end of the acceptable range by those who buy into these things, so it's not really out of bounds.
Nice cartridges for your arm would be Dynavector and Soundsmith, and the former has a higher compliance than the Shelter as do most of the later.
Good luck with the hunt and don't pay too much heed to numerical calculations.
I'm mostly looking for recommendations from folks who have HEARD any of these carts in this TT.
From a resonance standpoint, any one of them would probably work
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