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In Reply to: RE: MQA, the messiah! posted by John Elison on May 08, 2017 at 15:24:53
Sorry to be a prick, John, but if 16/44.1 PCM recordings are "perfect," how can DSD be better?
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Maybe they're not better; maybe they're just more perfect! ;-)
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Ha! We were typing at the same time, apparently. Did you see my post at 19:00?
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Yes, thanks for your support!
You're right that I didn't say 16/44 was perfect in this thread. However, I can't remember if I've ever said it before. Of course, nothing is perfect. We all know that. But, with regard to digital, DSD comes pretty close to perfect in my book. ;-)
Thanks again,
John Elison
'Splain, please. John Elison wrote:
"I used to think 24/96 PCM made nearly perfect copies of my vinyl LPs, but after hearing DSD 5.6-MHz copies I have no desire to go back to PCM. "
Where did he write that 16/44 was nearly perfect? I must've missed that.
Why do people often assume that when they read something in a thread somewhere, 100% of the context is to be found right in that thread.He asserted that his 16/44.1 vinyl recordings would be, if not "perfect," absolutely indistinguishable from the original analog (isn't that what "perfect" means?).
He did this years ago, and took it so far as to challenge a guy with a > $500,000 system to break his premise.
He won the challenge, technically, by the stated terms, but, to me and, I think, most others with sense, he lost because the guy doing the blind testing got *five out of six right*. That means there is virtually no statistical chance the copies were anywhere near "perfect."
Having done the best 16/44 vinyl recording I could many years ago (before there was better digital), and being able to easily tell the recordings on a system maybe 5% as expensive as the one referenced above, I did not find these results surprising - except perhaps that Mike missed one out of six.
Edits: 05/14/17
> He did this years ago, and took it so far as to challenge a guy with a > $500,000 system to break his premise.If you are referring to me, I did not challenge anyone. I have no need to challenge anyone. I know the truth; at least I know the truth for my purposes.
The man with the $500,000 system challenged me to a wager and he lost his own wager. I didn't set any of the rules for the challenge and I didn't participate in the test other than to make a CD-R. I was purposely not even present in the room during the test, which was conducted by the Seattle Audio Club, so don't blame me for anything. You need to re-read the original post containing the challenge and the wager to get your facts straight.
Of course, I accepted the challenge immediately and yet Mike Lavigne made me wait more than a year during which time I was ridiculed by a number of inmates for even thinking I could make a CD-R that sounded like vinyl. I think it was extremely dishonorable of Mike Lavigne to challenge me and then let me hang out in the breeze for more than a year before hosting his own challenge. When you challenge somebody, you should be prepared to complete the challenge in a reasonable amount of time.
I didn't challenge anybody.
Edits: 05/15/17
John, many thanks for your kind reply. At the moment I'm using optical discs for long term storage of vinyl rips but I' m seriously considering the Tascam approach.
Best regards.
Hi Victor,
I used optical discs (CD-Rs) for many years. About four-and-a-half years ago I ripped all my CDs and CD-Rs to USB hard drives for more permanent storage. I used Exact Audio Copy (EAC) freeware for ripping my CDs and CD-Rs, which is the first step required to move to a hi-res music streamer.
The TASCAM DA-3000 is a versatile component because it not only records PCM and DSD but also functions as an autonomous digital player as well as an external DAC. I'm very happy with my TASCAM DA-3000.
Good luck,
John Elison
Hi John,
Many thanks for your kind feedback. Currently I've got a small library of DVD-r. I've cheated a bit and am using "lossy" file formats e.g. AC-3 but still surprised at how good the results are with decent bit rates.
As someone who has run Nakamichi analogue machines (& others) since the 70s, I'm always pleasantly surprised at how favourably digitisation compares. Like yourself, I've concluded there's nothing fundamentally wrong with digital merely that it is not uncommon for *Production* to advertantly/inadvertently deliver a wrong result ;^)
Perversely and perhaps what might be considered a technical oxymoron, I still prefer the sound of vinyl even when digitised. The Tascam, with options for PCM/DSD, could only improve on the current archiving (perhaps archiving is too strong a word, more a case of items I can play without fear of corruption). Recording also prolongs the lives of increasingly expensive MC carts into the bargain. It's a win-win.
Best regards.
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