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In Reply to: RE: WTF ???? posted by reelsmith. on April 21, 2017 at 16:31:14
I'd also prefer the visual appearance of the Yamaha, no doubt. I wouldn't really have enough space for that either, though - so I'd pick neither of these two.
Some comments, though: First, #1 was intended as a design study only. And then, while I'll freely admit, that I also find it rather ugly, I still have quite a bit of respect for Rainer's creation (as well as for Rainer himself, as he's a nice and polite guy...), 'cause unlike many other high-end turntables, which often enough merely represent what we over here would call a Materialschlacht (battle of material), Rainer's approach combines that kind of mechanical overengineering with quite a bit of high-tech electronics. So in my view it would really deserve the label "high end" today, while many other current high-end designs appear rather lame to me due to being not exactly innovative.
But in that context I'd have to add that I'd also regard for example a Braun PS550, a Philips AF977 or a Technics SL-10 as more innovative than quite a few current high-end designs. Although it's even more of a pity that there's so little smart use of electronics in the more affordable price ranges today, in which the budget for mechanical overkill is way more limited (even more so, as mechanics nowadays are more costly than electronics).
I mean, heck, Philips already demonstrated with their DirectControl family, that it is possible to offer affordable belt-drive models that deliver very low wow & flutter with a ridiculously light platter in combination with a smart speed control with actual platter-speed sensing, back in 1978. Fast forward not quite 40 years - what do we get now? Comparatively spartanic belt-drive designs with hardly any comfort functions, let alone speed controls with actual platter-speed sensing. Even convenient speed-switching often enough has become an optional extra... *sigh*
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
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You evidently know something about turntable #1. It occurred to me that for such an all-out effort, there must be a mechanism for centering the LP, as seen in the Nakamichi turntables of yore. For my $650,000, I want that feature. Is such a feature incorporated into #1? Because, after you've coughed up maybe 500,000 Euros, you're still stuck with all those very slightly off-center LPs.
Otherwise, I'll go off and buy a Walker Audio Proscenium (for one example of a fine but very expensive turntable) and a Ferrari 458 and a beach house on an island in the Pacific.
Sorry, but no, it doesn't feature auto-centering. Instead it constantly monitors the arm (via laser distance measurement) and moves it accordingly, so the tracking error angle is kept within +/- 0.02°. Iirc, Rainer also mentioned that it would work with inside-out cuts, too.
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
wouldn't that correction device be driven a bit crazy, trying to keep up with the LPs eccentricity? Actually, now I am wondering how the Schroeder LT tonearm reacts to LPs with this issue.
Maybe there is no issue; I have to think about it.
Lew: I don't think it cares. I.e., even with a perfectly centered record the arm drive would do ca. 2000 microsteps per revolution, so one could say that it's busy anyway.
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
> Because, after you've coughed up maybe 500,000 Euros, you're still stuck with all those very slightly off-center LPs. >
They still sound good, though. I've been playing those slightly off-center LPs for many years and they still sound good to me.
Moreover, it is a rare occasion when I can visually detect that an LP is off-center, although that is likely more a function of my visual acuity than it is an assessment of LP quality. But for $650K, you've gotta get some feature that most other turntables don't have. Gosh darnit!
For that money, I would expect it to play both sides of a record without having to turn it over! :)
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