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In Reply to: RE: Technics SL 1301 tone arm effective mass questions . . . posted by JoshT on February 28, 2017 at 22:57:04
Hi Josh
I was just talking to John about this. They have added the cartridge mass to that number so it is likely to be around 16g, but I've never seen effective mass spec'd like that.
The M97xE is a nice sounding cartridge - I have one as well. The "x" denotes the Shure "Audiophile" curve where they deliberately sweetened the top end (read: Rolled off the top end!). I understand that the V15VMR was criticised for sounding too much like CD so the V15VxMR was introduced with the new curve to address the critcism (so the story goes). The response shelves down from about 5kHz in the presence band to 10kHz. Then it is flat to >20kHz. This is why it sounds richer and fuller. At the time a lot of users were disappointed with the sound and considered it "dull". However, I think with classical and jazz it is a very pleasing and unfatiguing sound. With bass heavy material it can sound a little ponderous though. AT MMs are often criticised (myself included) for sounding a little bright because there is an emphasis around 10 to 12kHz.
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
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I've settled on a VTF setting of 1.75 with brush down for now, and anti-skating of 1.25. Shure and other users seem to recommend the brush-down for medium to high mass arms, and that's how I had it on my Philips AF 877. I am now enjoying this SL-1301 a lot. The AT cart didn't seem to gel on it as well, but it was in a box unused for 5 years (it had been on the Philips before), so I might need to give it more time for the suspension to loosen up a bit. Fun to be able to swap back and forth now that I have the carts dialed in on the two headshells.
For future reference, do you have any suggestions for a $100 to $300 street-price cart that would be a good compliance match for the effective mass of this tone arm as described above? (No Ortofon 2M suggestions please - I've still not heard one sound right to me!)
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Hi Josh
Are you specifically after high output cartridges? Given the effective mass of your arm, you will have a wider choice in low output MCs and the Ortofon MCs will be a very good match. However, given your target price range, you will be somewhat limited in choice.
The Denon DL110 is a high output MC and is a very good all round performer that has proven inredibly popular over the years. However, I don't know what your sonic preferences are. The best desccription of this cartridge is that it has very good clarity and detail. However, my personal opinion is that the sound is not entirely neutral. Others will likely disagree.
Here is a link to John's excellent explanation of the Technics specification for the effective mass of your arm if you haven't already seen it...
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
I saw your exchange with John. Fascinating and all kind of new to me. In the past I mostly relied on dealers to recommend appropriate matches for the table I was buying or already owned, so there is a lot to learn now that I'm willing to do my own set up.
My budget may very well increase next year. This set up is in a winter home and was supposed to be "low budget" but then I replaced a late 1970s Heathkit receiver with a brand new Cronus Magnum II and also bought some new speakers for my office system and a bunch of LPs and CDs, etc., etc., so my wife is understandably urging me to slow down. We've got a couple more systems up in our main home and she's very tolerant and loves the music but doesn't want too many upgrades all at once! So, we'll see in due course.
What is absolutely amazing to me right now is how fantastic that very old AT13ea is sounding! I replaced the stylus 6 years ago when I got the cart on another table but then hardly used it because I decided I'd get something brand new - the M97xe. But now that the AT is back on the SL 1301 with about 12 hours of play time, it's really sounding fantastic! Maybe it shouldn't. But I remember Inmate reelsmith (Dean) saying he sold a bunch of them back in the late 1970s and that they seemed to work on just about any table. So, at this point I feel like I can wait out my wife's temporary cartridge restraining order without any suffering! ;-)
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Do you mean that the arm mass is 16 grams including head shell and without cartridge? If it is you should check out the Grado line!
Edits: 03/01/17
But why Grado? At least the Prestige series carts weigh less than the AT13 and the M97xe, and I thought they were designed for low mass tone arms.The wood bodied Grados are above my budget for this system, as least this calendar year.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Edits: 03/01/17
This explains it!
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
The weight of the cartridge has nothing to do with it. It is the compliance of the cartridge. The rule of thumb is low mass arm high compliance cartridge,high mass arm low compliance cartridge. It all has to do with the resonant frequency of arm and cartridge. This is a chart from the vinyl engine with 16 gram arm. You will need to know the compliance of the cartridge you choose!
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