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In Reply to: RE: Yes. posted by mosin on October 21, 2012 at 06:02:56
This is the first arm of its kind. Less expensive versions of it could appear one day.
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Not to take anything away from what Frank has done, and it looks very interesting. I had a chance to listen to the prototype they had in Denver last year and it was good.
But the concept or idea is not new. Frank's execution is different and more visually pleasing to me but credit should be at least shared with others such as Thales Tonearm
The Thales tonearm is an entirely different concept. Furthermore, it doesn't work very well because the linkage has way too much friction and it also rattles. Wally Malewicz and I tested it at RMAF 2010.Best regards,
John Elison
Edits: 10/22/12
Yes it is an entirely different concept in practice but it does the same thing in a linear manner, and it came to market first, thiat is all I wanted to say.
The particular arm you speak of at the 2011 RMAF was setup after it came back from a reviewer damaged that is what you saw there unfortunately. The newer Thales Simplicity looks like something I would rather have over their bigger Thales AV style arm.
> Yes it is an entirely different concept in practice but it does the same thing
> in a linear manner, and it came to market first, thiat is all I wanted to say.In that case, let us not forget the Garrard Zero 100 turntable with a tonearm that is much more similar to the Thales tonearm than Frank Schröder's tonearm. I would say the Garrard Zero 100, which went to market in 1970, came long before the Thales tonearm.
The Thales tonearm I tested was at RMAF 2010, not RMAF 2011. It did not appear to be damaged, but I suppose that's a possibility. Regardless, all the extra linkage and extra bearings create excessive friction and the potential for unwanted and unnecessary vibration. The Garrard Zero 100 had the same problem.
Best regards,
John Elison
Edits: 10/22/12
Yes John
There are plenty of good working examples of linear type arms, even before Thales. Thorens has one as well from way back.
You are right about the Thales at 2010 not 2011. At the 2010 RMAF it was damaged and you only saw it on Friday, and HWS took it off after Wally's testing. RMAF 2011 HWS used both models of the Thales arms on the Thales tables without a problem.
I do like the simple uncluttered look of Frank arm though. Hopefully it performs very well.
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