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I have been wondering why (arguably) the World's most respected jazz recording company, ECM, has not released vinyl. Well, after doing a search on their website, it seems they have. ONCE. Mathias Eick's "Skala" is available on 180 gram vinyl. So my questions are; does anyone know of any other ECM releases on vinyl (of course, authorized by ECM and done by ECM)? Does anyone know why ECM has not released more than they have (yeah, they have historically been a digitally oriented company launched by an individual immersed in digital recording but are there any other reasons why they haven't responded to vinyl's new popularity?).
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I went ahead last week and ordered Ronin's "Llyria". As you will see if you look at my link, it goes for around $45 but there is one Amazon seller who sells it for much less, and mine arrived in only two days!! More to the point, it is among the top five or so best-sounding records I have ever heard, and the content if pretty damned good too if you are into modern European jazz of the ECM variety. The packing is first rate, with audiophile rice paper/plastic combination sleeves and the vinyl was impeccably clean right out of the sleeve such that my typical practice of running new records through my VPI 15.5 rcm was unnecessary. Highly recommended!!!
I've still got all of the ten "Works" compilations (the ones with the black frame around the cover pic) ECM released to celebrate their 15 years jubilee in 1984/85. :)
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
In the '70s and '80s, it was THE jazz label for modern jazz. Artists on this label included Pat Metheny, Keith Jarrett and Don Cherry. Many vinyl albums released on this label won Grammy Awards.
I remember ECM had pretty good distribution in the U.S. (mostly Warner Bros. I believe.) Their releases were in all the big stores which means they pressed rather big runs for esoteric jazz releases, and there are plenty of copies still in circulation. Any decent used record store should have quite a few. I have only paid more than $10 once for any of the 20 or so ECM releases I own; all of them were in near mint condition.
ebay.de always has lots of ecm vinyl...ebay.uk usually less but usually more than the U.S. site.
ralph towner...solo concert ftw
ebay.ch sometimes too - and ebay.at
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
The link below lists quite a few ECM titles on vinyl that I believe can be ordered directly from ECM in Europe. . .
http://www.ecmrecords.com/News/Special_Offers/LP-Liste.php?cat=&we_start=0&lvredir=3094
is one of my favorites. Also, I have Timeless on vinyl and CD, which makes an amazing head to head comparison of the two mediums.
I picked up "Timeless" as part of a Craigslist haul about a week ago. Nice record.
Indeed. The title track is a classic. It also slaughters the CD version, inexplicably so. Brings home the point that there's definitely an art to CD creation as well as making records.
This is subject of much heated debate amongst my little jazz circle - especially after a little red wine has been consumed!
Top 10 ECMs (in order of awesomeness)
1) Afrika Pepperbird - Jan Gabarek
2) Ballad of the Fallen - Charlie Haden
3) Free at Last - Mal Waldron
4) Underwear - Bobo Stenson
5) Conference of the Birds - Dave Holland
6) Contrasts - Sam Rivers
7) New Directions in Europe - Jack DeJohnette
8) The Struggle Continues - Dewey Redman
9) El Corazon - Don Cherry / Ed Blackwell
10) Enrico Rava Quartet - E. Rava
Top that New Anvil!! :)
nocoastjazz,
I would add "Gateway" to that list. Holland, Abercrombie and DeJohnette (and some refer to that trio as Gateway).
"Gateway 2" is also excellent.
AND, you and I here in the Chicago area will have a chance to see this trio at the CSO in early November. Definitely going. Give holler if you decide to go.
Here we go:
I'll take three from you:
Afric Pepperbird - Jan Gabarek
Conference of the Birds -- Dave Holland
Ballad of the Fallen -- Charlie Haden
And add:
Rejoicing - Metheny/Holland/Higgins
My Song - Jarrett/Gabarek et al
Terje Rypdal - S/T (ECM 1016)
Deer Wan - Kenny Wheeler
Old and New Dreams - S/T (ECM 1154)
Nice Guys - Art Ensemble of Chicago
Gateway - Abercrombie/Holland/DeJonette
Paris Concert - Circle (yes, I know it's #11)
And, because it's on WATT, an honorable mention:
Social Studies - Carla Bley
I still have many ECM albums I purchased in college and grad school in the mid 1970's to early 1980's and they still sound great (much better than the same titles issued on CD.It would be great if they offered their new releases on vinyl
Their extensive Keith Jarret Catalog as well as the various Pat Metheny offerings.
But the Paul Bley solo Open to Love is an amazing recording/performance for those who love improvised piano.
eso
They were a carnival of American decay on parade, and they had no idea of the atrocity they had inflicted upon themselves.“ Henry Chinaski
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I'll give it a listen tonight
thanks
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They were a carnival of American decay on parade, and they had no idea of the atrocity they had inflicted upon themselves.“ Henry Chinaski
I appreciate this info but I just checked and every single one of those are out of print. I love Mal Waldron. That LP goes for $100-$125 if you find one.
The Mal Waldron LP is the hardest to find on my list. After hearing a copy at New Anvil's I HAD to find a copy for myself. It only took me a year or so! Ebay - $25.
It can be done - just make a saved search in ebay for it. Even if you had had bad ebay experiences in terms of over-graded LPs (I risk I deem worth making if you want the access to all that vinyl!) ECM LPs generally were played sparingly and are mostly 20 to 30 years younger than other collectible jazz LPs.
The rest of the LPs can be had for an average of $10 to $15 - maybe a little more for the Afrika Pepperbird and Underwear LPs.
I can assure you ECM was a vinyl label as long or longer than they were a digital-only label. As eso said -- great recordings on great pressings. I was just joking with a spinning buddy the other day that finding a pristine early catalogue, West German ECM pressing is like finding a Japanese King Blue Note: it doesn't get much better, sound0wise, than that.
The other beauty of ECM vinyl is that you can pick up many titles used absolutely unplayed and for relatively cheap, since their esoteric artists and recordings were often purchased by casual listeners who spun the LP once, decided it wasn't for them, and never touched it again until they sold it off to a store somewhere. :)
I stand corrected in part. I found a bunch of these old recordings on Amazon. But I meant current offerings-brand new and recently released. It appears the one I listed is the only one.
Here's some:
http://www.ecmrecords.com/Catalogue/ECM/2100/2178.php
This album was released about 2 years ago and came out as a dlx 2lp set. Buying & shpping it from Europe to the US was too expensive. I saw a few copies on Amazon from US sellers for $35 or so. Too much for me! It's a shame but ultimately it's not the greatest of what ECM has been doing lately. Not sure why they picked this LP to release on vinyl.
I would be very surprised if they retooled their operation to include vinyl and were able to bring it to the US for anything like a competitive/reasonable price.
But there are 100s of old records to explore, which, as has been noted, can usually be found for very low prices. Example: Just found a WLP copy of a Gary Burton/Pat Metheny/Eberhard Webber LP for $1 at the local Salvation Army. Looked unplayed, sounds great.
Back in the day, they were considered one of the highest quality labels for sound and pressing. K. Jarrett, D. Holland, C. Corea, G. Burton, J. Garbarek, R. Towner, P. Metheney, P. Motian, AEC... look it up.Manfred Eicher founded ECM in 1969, long before the advent of digital recording.
Edits: 08/16/12
Great recordings and nice heavy pressings during the era of flimsy mainstream lps.
eso
They were a carnival of American decay on parade, and they had no idea of the atrocity they had inflicted upon themselves.“ Henry Chinaski
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