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Page 2 of the new Music Direct flyer. Made by Stillpoints.
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People take what the market gives. I used to run old british sports cars. Often the same part would be found in different brands. A rubber support bushing for a triumph costs less than twenty bucks, more for the other British Leyland brands, reaching $275 for the rolls Royce part number for the same item.
I think they are seeking the 30per cent of the population that like a strong leader, that likes decisions made for them . A couple of reviews, a few insecure customers with money to spend, presto, a product that will sell for a couple of years,
Price point aside, is this the best place to complicate the vibrations? This seems to be new thinking in this regard. I am doubtful.
The crazy thing id that if you think it sounds better, it does sound better. If it takes 500 bills and some complications for your record weight to "sound better," everyone wins.
I wonder what happened to all of those magic rocks that Sun Mook used to sell for big cash. I also wonder if the people throwing the hype ever backed off that stuff, or just moved on, pretending nothing ever happened. I also wonder about attempted resale , just how do you explain the value to the buyer without the enhanced credibility of the printed page, or a written report?
I wish I could run my system on magic, or even incorporate a few magical parts. My electric bill says "science only," and I can'f get past that reality.
I just remembered, I have to go set my Tice clock, it works even better if reset every 22 and a half minutes , chilled.
....than just a simple weight.
There are 5 pads in the underside that couple via ceramic balls to the upper weight. The idea, I gather, is to couple small vibrations in the vinyl to the weight.
Whether this works I don't know - but there seems to be positive reviews and user reports.
I can see why this device would cost more to manufacture than a simple machined metal weight.
Personally, I see more 'value' here than a lump of African ebony root.
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But come on :-)
While other weights/clamps seem to be offered in the $100-200 range, this product is hardly in the outrageous category.
Geez, there a number of companies selling 1m interconnects for $10000 - $15000, cartridges for $15000....and there seems to be a contest as to who can offer the highest priced turntable (the sky seems to be the limit).
Yes, the Stillpoints record weight seems somewhat expensive for what it is - but I'd still place it in the 'affordable' category.
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Why pick on this product? Do you really have to ask?
This is fringe stuff that has suspect value . Interesting to see in the market place, but to give these types of overpriced products any credibility does not take HiFi to a better, more inclusive, place.
But I suppose Hi Fi isn't going to be ascending anytime soon, so go crazy.
Buy the way, I could fly to Hawaii for less than this thing costs. Affordable is subjective.
Hearing.is also subjective. Subjective hearing is the only reason for these products. Subjective hearing cannot be avoided. Products that exploit that fact can be avoided and should be called out.
'Fringe stuff' - oh please.....there are people selling cream to rub on audio components and Tibetan singing bowls as room acoustic treatment.
Is this record puck, which is based on the well reviewed and widely praised Stillpoint coupling devices, really at the fringe?
If you are looking to equate high end audio pricing with real world goods/commodities, then you have the wrong hobby.
This whole industry is built on peoples subjective hearing preferences.
Therefore the entire industry is (in your words) exploiting this fact.
I suggest if YOU can't hear/prefer the difference a component/device makes - then don't buy it.
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You're probably correct, Paul. I was a bit out of line to point it out. Who knows, it might provide a substantial sonic improvement.
Doesn't surprise me. The same idiots who pay $150 for a "shaded dog" are they type who might spring for one of these.
Yes $495 is a lot for a weight but far from the most expensive. Shun Mook(sp?) makes one for somewhere around $1500 if you want one three times better.
I have a friend who is a machinist! He did a great job.
I made mine out of peanut butter jar lid.
I can't see paying that much for a TT weight. I bought mine from TTweights.
2.5" dia. 360 brass is about $200/ft. Cut into 4 pieces, and finish on a lathe. Keep one and sell the other three.
jeff
Certainly I saw that product before their entry into TTs.
Very nice workmanship and a couple $100 IIRC.
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
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They're located in my little town, just north of Toronto.
I was up there for a visit. Nice setup for listening on the top floor. Unfortunately Ian (if I remember the name correctly - awful with names) smokes in the room and even thought I'm a smoker myself (outdoors only) it was a little hard to handle.
Got to see the workshop as well ... but that portion of the visit was mostly wasted on me I'm afraid.
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
:-) OK, I had to get that 'eh' in there for our friends up north.
In here, my cost @less than $1,000 is relatively modest, so a $495 record weight, while not proportional for you or me, might seem appropriate for one having spent more than $10,000 for their rig. But at this point I'm hoping I didn't put my foot in it if you have :)
Yeah, most people I know have mini-systems, iPod docks or just listen through their computer. From their perspective my stereo, which is very modest around here, is completely extravagent.
...have become ubiquitous in nearly every home, and I have to admit, some of them do sound very, very good (especially the computer-based systems) lacking only in lowest bass and pristine highs, which, through many of the cheaper iPod docks sound tizzy and over-emphasized. Still, ultra portability and connectivity makes it so convenient to bring your tunes along with you, download as you go, and connect to a better system if you want. But its not like settling down to play and listen to a record in the special place you've designated for you and your turntable. At those times it's well worth the cost :)
I often wonder who is buying all those $20,000 line stages, $100,000 turntables, $15,000 cartridges, and $250,000 speakers, but I am secure in the knowledge that it is not I. Thus I am free to find it amusing that such products, including a $495 record weight, exist.
nt
Well if one can perceive only their own point of reference it may appear that way... for example the complaint my seem natural coming from a guy using a AV receiver, but again only if incapable of seeing beyond.
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
As if my choice of amplification has anything to do with a $500 record weight. But hey, feel free to think whatever you like.
See the last post in this thread.
nt
Oh? record weights make no difference? ... of just ones $400 and up?
LOL
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
nt
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Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
Seriously. I couldn't care less if someone wants to spend $500 or more on a record weight. Sure, I will have doubts that it sounds any better than a much more economical solution, and I may get annoyed at the marketing hype that makes it sound like you can't live without the night and day difference such a product brings, and even more annoyed at people who think you have to splash that kind of cash on accessories if you want decent sound.
But, we all buy things for reasons well beyoind pure sound. I have a vintage table that I think sounds just great, but I have it for a combination of reasons. Sound is one, but so are aesthetic concerns, so are the features the table has, so is price. I think we are all doing a bit of casting stones from our glass houses if we are too bent out of shape because someone spends a bunch of money on something that can be construed as being about more than just the pure sound improvement vs. cost. We all do it to one extent or another.
Speak plainly ... we all bitch about such things, just some a hell of a lot more than others.
LOL
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
Sometimes elusive and hard to define, but for me, a $500 record weight is not a good buy.
Oh, I wouldn't personally buy one either. But, for some people it is worth it, whether it makes much of a difference sound-wise or not. And we all make decisions on what we have for a whole bunch of reasons. It's kind of like when someone buys a pair of shoes for a couple hundred bucks that do exactly the same job of keeping their feet warm and protected as a pair costing twenty bucks, or an expensive watch that tells time no better than a simple one. I don't see sapending $500 on a possibly questionable audio accessory as any better or worse. And it ain't my money.
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If I sat one of those on my son's head when he was giving me the latest excuses why the lawn work wasn't done...would the excuse sound better?
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Doesn't that depend on which way his head is spinning?
Some things are better left unknown.
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Nothing new here, just keep moving along. Nothing to see...
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Why not whine about expensive wine or jewelry or cars or any of a million other things that can easily considered to be ridiculously expensive?
You can easily spend that much for dinner at a nice restaurant that will be in the sewer the next day but for some reason it is shocking when it is an audiophile toy?
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A dinner that costs that much should not result in sewage.
So one could put it in a zipper-topped plastic bag and preserve it instead?
Later Gator,
Dave
like what you see in the window of restaurants in Tokyo.
Don't read it, in other words.
Geez, what would you want with a piece of crap like that? I'll epoxy together a stack of washers from The Home Depot and sell it to you for a mere $100,000.
Better hurry...the line of buyers outside my door is lengthening as we speak.
Enjoy your music!
George
wil be left in your wallet should you buy one like mikel listed. and it appears that these aren't even CLAMPS!
that gives me the cramps.
...regards...tr
of the current Stereophile.
*That* one really has me shaking my head!
15K for a cartridge and it's not even low output. Sheesh, no one pays that much for a HOMC.
"I weally weally wove music." Elmer Fudd 1961
Audiophiles are not the brightest bulbs. If Stillpoints doubles the price they will, probably, sell twice as many.
-Wendell
http://www.dalbyaudiodesign.co.uk/products/d7-vinyl-stabiliser.html
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...100 or so new records, I'll take the records.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Shun Mook weight . . . only $1,600 Back in 1994, it was a mere $895.
Opus 104
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That's easily worth an extra thousand! ;-)
"This extra heavy century old ebony root which was immersed in the swamps of Africa has a unique power that no other wood possesses."
Bullshit! Paying Bulgarian dwarfs to carve the shit is what jacks the price up.
Opus 104
Actually, he might be right. There are certainly things in the world that we don't understand and this could be one of them. I've never tried this weight and I never will, but it might be magic; you never know. ;-)
Best regards,
John Elison
winning the lottery.
Opus 104
I listened to it for three or four days on a VPI Classic 3. Didn't have the VPI weight for comparison. There are moving parts and damping in the weight. I thought the set-up sounded pretty good.
To me (read: my opinion), if a component makes an audible difference and some people like it, then each person has to make their own value judgement.
I'm not here to defend the product, just providing my opinion.
the belt run.
If I am right, did you reset the suspension? If you didn't how can you know it as an improvement.
For me record weights don't cut it against a good clamp, with a range of plastic/fibre washers for under the record on the spindle - and a dished mat.
The mat and clamp I have aren't even made any more, though Nagaoka are still in business. Keepers.
Note that a post in response is preferred.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
I used to use a HW-19 III. It's actually out for sale, but that's a different story.I heard the Classic 3 with the StillPoints weight at CES (T.H.E. Show) last January. The weight doesn't impact the suspension on that tt. We also used a periphery ring. There were a few issues with the set-up but the bottom line performance was quite good.
FYI, and to update, I'm using an Aries 1 Extended sitting on three StillPoints cones, JMW-12 arm and AT-OC9ml(1). Everything else in the chain is from Herron Audio.
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"Note that a post in response is preferred."
My guess, you'd likely get more responses if you dropped that; strikes me as a enigmatic mixture of self-importance/attention seeking/just plain kooky.
LOL
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
I like the idea. Better than pissing in the wind, with the wind blowing it back in your face. I'd rather get a response, like Tim, and at the rate people are only really talking to themselves nowadays on forums. Nobody's really conversing, just opining. Warmer than warmest.
Freedom is the right to discipline yourself.
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