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In Reply to: RE: might I ask when was the last time you heard a string quartet live? posted by Timbo in Oz on January 20, 2017 at 02:00:01
Tim where do you listen to these very loud concerts?, Here in the states I regularly attend opera's too and Nothing is really really loud unless some screwball want to amplify the damn thing then forget it!
Lawrence
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A string quartet can get quite loud and a piano quintet even louder. Even ones using a large Viennese-Action fortepiano, like a Graf, or a replica of one.
I also used to record and later edit, acoustic concerts for a local community FM station, ORTF array or a crossed pair on a high stand. The digital recorders we used let you know how loud things were getting.
Peaks of well above 90db were common, even if it was a small group and venue where I had to put the mikes close in. I generally tried to sit close to the mikes/stand. Even though I am much lower down than the mikes, where the level will be similar if not a but louder up away from all the soft bodies.
Editing back at the studios in one of their editing suites it was always noticeable how much quieter the sound was even with big amps into B&W Monitors, going as loud as I needed. To edit out the longer pauses and in a few cases mistakes and restarts.
Getting in for free was a perk as well! This was until I fell ill. But, I will go back to it, once I am well.
I was never able to get the same levels in the studio as a large group in our church could achieve. Say, a large choir plus chamber orchestra.
I know what overly loud amplified sound feels like, went to the movies again yesterday to see "Jackie" and the subs were in overload, and overall it was at least 3db too loud, possibly 6db.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
get well soon! havent been to the movies in long time jackie? Jacqueline Kennedy, well how was the movie??
Went with Patricia (Trisha) and her sister, had a Turkish lunch before the movie, which I 'shouted.' Look it up.
Memorable day Friday, though Saturday was worse. Severe heatwave days, 40C plus and windy, so a good day to get to somewhere else. National power-grid nearing overload. Gov'ts asking folks to go to large 'energy efficient' venues, and turn home A/C off!
Turned the AC in the lounge/dining/listening room off. QUAD 63s off anyway. But left the WoHouse evap. ducted cooling going with every extractor fan running, 2 in kitchen, 1 laundry and 1 in bathroom. Left front security door avec Crimsafe mesh open, as it was in the lee of the house in relation to the WNW to NW winds. To exhaust the damp air. .......
Oh yeah, the Movie!!!??? I was mostly riveted. But I think you'ld need to be a big fan of Jackie herself, or a woman from that era to be deeply, deeply moved by the film, but I ended up admiring her courage all over again. Learnt some stuff about her.
Good movie to take your SO to, I'd reckon. Watching (Natalie Portman / Jackie) undress out of her bloodied, brain and bone spattered clothes that night back in DC in the White House was NOT sexy.
The device of having her talk to the reporter who wrote about her right after helped the story along IMO.
The standard of acting is very, very good, especially by Ms Portman.
Points of view?
Back in 1963? I was a randy tween 12? year old, a cathedral chorister (a RSCM student) and 'identified as bright' grade 7 staring High School when it all happened in Dallas.
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, my wife was on a Dutch passenger ship crossing the Caribbean to Port Everglades in Florida! her family were on the way to the UK for her Dad's first long Sabbatical at U.Coll. London.
She would have been 14 when JFK died in 1963 and was coming BACK to Australia on a P&O ship via Suez, to the Royal Military College Duntroon in Canberra. Her sister Margaret and younger brother Ian were on the ship. Her Dad was Prof. of English there from end WWII.
So she's kinda 'imprinted' on cruising, and on JFK and Jackie. ;-)
I found out it was on nearby, plus heatwave, and Trisha bought the idea. We invited Margaret and it was a good half day out. I also bought/swapped the _right_ kind of Y-adaptor* cables for my multi-amped QUAD 63 based system, that is slowly coming together.
? Three SS stereo power amps for Summer - total power p.c. is 670 watts RMS. IE 1340 watts total. 63s plus four bass units in a 'Swarm' arc. All matt black. 2 by 2 *stereo bass. Uses passive line-level & active - giving asymmetric odd-order filters @ 150Hz.
Will use 1/3rd octave Eq and may add parametric. Until I can pay for ADC and DSP Eq, that is.
Trisha reckons the progress is 'glacial.' "Yes Dear!"
Should play pretty damn loud. Which brings us back to LOUD, and Mahler or Stravinsky.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Kool...Appreciate the low down about the movie, I am kinda JFK buff researcher. I am a young lad 45 now but feel that even to this day his demise was the start of our countries downfall of everything!
I owned a pair of quad 63's for a brief moment same with the 57's but IMO neither could play the dynamic stuff well enough to keep them mahler comes to mind, now the very larger and larger Beveridge 2sw's that i owned COULD play like scale stuff and loud enough levels (middle 90's) without strain but these also went to the way side for what I own now and will forever..My pair of large Fulton premiere speakers.
Lawrence
So as to retain their time and phase coherence - and - relieve them of trying to do bass. 1/4 power by 75Hz, 1/8 by 38Hz.
The four bass sources _ stereo _ will have a 3rd order low pass to match, plus eq and lots of power > 500 watts p.c.
The QUADs will be driven by a Fostex 300 pro amp that is unconditionally stable into 'stats.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
IMO Tim, most systems I have heard don't integrate the subs correctly they just dont have the coherency...a oneness if you will
It can be done surly but mostly not done right :)
Lawrence
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