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In Reply to: RE: At the end perhaps 5 to 1 when comparing bombers to fighters. posted by Michael Samra on February 05, 2017 at 13:43:56
Actually Mike, the materiel support from the West was quite small. And I have researched this. Including that via Iran, and through Vladivostok.Of all the materiel supplied it was the 6WD trucks, and some half-tracks, that they really took too, and began making their own.
The Bell P39, that the US gave up on, turned out really well too, because its performance at low to medium altitudes was excellent and its armament very effective, for air to air and a bit less for ground attack, where its 37MM Browning cannon was not effective against German tank armour. Against the open-top / open-back SPs, yes.
It didn't do too badly in New Guinea and through the Solomons, either. Dropped by end '42.
Taken overall, the Allies including the Russians, got the technical quality and quantity balance right, while Germany did not.
Often, new high-tech. equipment went into service well before sufficient quality, but the tactical trials feedback processes were rapid. Once a design was settled, volume could kick in.
There are two good examples of this in Aircraft radar. Britain's first air interception radar sets, and the centimetric radars all of which needed a fair bit of servcie feed back before they were right.
Speed of response to an urgent need / emerging role, being more important than ultimate quality.
Which was my initial point, you see?! :-)
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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I fact Stalin was bitching to Roosevelt & Churchill about the lack of support that Russia was getting from the U.S. & England & that his troops were being sacrificed while we sat on our hands waiting to invade France.
Thanks.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Hundreds of thousands of Studebaker trucks were provided to the USSR. That freed Soviet industry to make T34 tanks.BTW, Stalin shunted some of those trucks to the NKVD, for distinctly non-military purposes. :> (
It took the combined contributions of blood and wealth of all the United Nations to bring the Axis down.
Eli D.
Edits: 02/06/17
That is why we call them the Greatest Generation. IMO, Hitler's early and big mistake was not giving Rommel enough backing to win in Africa. Synthetic gas was not going to cut it. The lack of gasoline in the late war stopped him in his tracks.
Dave
It depends whom you ask I suppose.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
All so known as alternative Facts.: )
I have to get my Mac 240 going again. I shut it down about a year ago because after it is on for a short time I get an increasingly loud buzz from a tranny. Nothing was distorting, but I just shut it down. Next day I turned it back on & it was quiet, but after 3-4 min. on increasingly loud buzz. Opened up the bottom & every thing looks normal. No leaking, dripping, bulging or burnt anything I can see.
Thoughts ?
Edits: 02/05/17
You may have a filter cap that is intermittent.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
The aid from the USA was mostly after that and was mostly trucks and jeeps.
Their survival until 1943 is almost completely theirs.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
They lost 25m people that's a big deal.We did supply them with military aid and that was a well publicized fact.Nobody had the production capability we had in the US at that time but the USSR was a big proponent in helping defeat the 3rd Reich.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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So, it doesn't look to me that lend lease was a critical factor for Russia.And, there's no data in that article.
Russia had a very large industrial sector. Russian production was a big factor in winning the war. No less important than the USA's.
Their weapons, esp. tanks and artillery, were at least as good as anyone elses. The Yak 3 and the Sturmovik were the best in their class.
Believe what you like, Mike, but I'll stick to what I know to be true.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 02/06/17
The T34 was the best tank. Soviet artillery was effective, by sheer weight of numbers, not great accuracy. German officers had great respect for American artillery. "Acquired the target quickly."Yes, Russian production was very important. However, consider the fact that the military output of U.S. industry was barely bettered by the combined efforts of all the other belligerents on both sides.
Eli D.
Edits: 02/06/17
Exactly
We had production levels that were unreal. We had GM,Ford,Chrysler,Studebaker,Kaiser,were a few of the largest companies running full war time production while suspending all consumer vehicle production.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
While consumer vehicle production was suspended, the U.S. was the only "player" to increase civil industrial output. All the other nations at war cut civil production WAY back.
Eli D.
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