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I got a hold of some 28Ga 3/16 silver ribbon and was wondering if it was worth the effort. I am also lookin for construction ideas. This stuff seems to be pretty stiff to be "Dead Soft" I have seen a design that uses polyethelene tape to seperate and encase the conductors. I have been searching, in vain, for something that will out preform my Chris VenHaus Fine Silver ICs. It is not that I am dissatisfied with them, there're fantastic! Im just on that never ending search for better sound. TIA!
Julien Therrien
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Looks like a good thickness ( <0.5 mm, besides being stiff), and i would follow either the suggestion of below, using a Teflon tube to get as much air as possible. Try to find as thin walled a tPTFE ube as possible then. But plastic generally has sonic problems (see below).I would *not* wrap an audio conductor in plastic anymore after the following experiment:
I listened through twisted laquered 0.5mm copper wires (my 'cheap' second system in my living room). Then i stripped a cotton sleeve over both conductors, and twisted them again in the same direction.
With the cotton sleeve, which has a high air content *and* is ant-static & natural, the sound opens up a lot, definition is much better and natural. Across the band there is leap-frog jump in realism, from the infrasonic end to the highest overtones. Actually it sounds like at least one octave more extended (subjectively). A similar effect, but considerably lesser in degree, was when i compared *identical* manufacturer & diameter silver wires (0.6mm), one with extruded PTFE insulation, the other banded with air-teflon foil. The latter sounded much faster and natural. Strange!I think the focus in the moment is too strong on conductor material – insulations make at least as much difference!
Thanks to www.audio-consulting.ch to get me on track with this!
Hi,I absolutely agree with your statement that plastic insulators can be a problem (even teflon). However if you wish to use really thin
foil as I do(.5 mil is far too thick in my opinion) there is little alternative for strength reasons. Fortunately IME there is also an easy cure for most of the sonic sins of teflon insulation. Simply rub anti static foam on the exterior of the cable. I use Electrolube antistatic foam which is effective an will last a long time as long as
it is not rubbed off. The sonic effect is as you describe for the cotton- bettr frequency extension at both extremes and a considerable improvement in dynamics at both the loud and soft ends of the scale.BTW this stuff also works superbly on the plastic sleeves of electrolytic and plastic film caps...
Rob.
Hello, that's interesting! Is it the black antistatic foam? I asume it works by releasing the antistatic content onto theother plastic.Did you try the caps sonically without sleeves too? This is also amazing in effect.
Hi,The anti-static foam is white in colour. The name is Electrolube
A.F.C.(antistatic foam cleaner).Yes I have tried taking the plastic off capacitors and it works really well, particularly in low level signal areas such as phono preamps. I use the antistatic foam on caps that are difficult to get at to remove the plastic. It works nearly as well as removing the plastic IME. Identical sonic benefits to those I described for applying the stuff to interconnects.
Rob.
Hi,I use the 3mm x .05mm ribbons from Vacuum State Electronics. VSE
recommends either wrapping the ribbons with teflon tape or alternatively using a teflon strip to space the ribbons.Because I can't bear to do anything exactly as recommended, my interconnects are encased in teflon tubes. The trick is to buy 2.5mm
teflon tube, partially flatten it and feed the ribbon into the widened cross section. Do the same for the return leg. The teflon tube tries to return to its original shape i.e. round cross section
and in doing so grips each edge of the foil and holds it firmly in place. I then either wrap both tubes in an expandable outer sleve or wrap them in teflon tape to hold each channels conductors together.There you have it silver foil interconnects with (mostly)air dialectric but which don't rattle. They sound exceptionally good.
Rob.
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