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In Reply to: RE: synergistic orange fuse posted by Ric on August 04, 2020 at 06:37:18
I am not going to STFU. Instead I will give you a challenge.Take a piece of 16 gauge wire (or whatever size wire is leading to the fuse holder and away from the fuse holder) and solder it across the fuse holder. Listen to that to see what that sounds like. Now find a fuse that sounds like that.
If you don't try this then you haven't heard it and you can STFU.
Note, while the wire is shorting across the fuse holder your unit will not be fused and if something goes wrong with the unit it will set your house on fire. So be careful. Never leave a unit without a fuss on a permanent basis. Only for short term testing, while you're paying attention.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 08/04/20Follow Ups:
Well Tre, IMHO listening to no fuse and then trying to find a fuse that is properly rated is a ludicrous suggestion. I would think it impossible to use a properly rated fuse with a thin wire and have it compete with no fuse at all. A suggestion that has no utility in deciding if and which properly rated fuse sounds the best according to any particular listener. Apples to oranges.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Alfred E. Neuman
OK. So how about this? Listen without a fuse, to know what the unit is capable of, then find the fuse that is closest.
I'll STFU now.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
See, this is part of the problem, which means many comments are reactionary negative comments that are not in response to the subject which is listening to a new product.
If you have something positive to say (that is not about listening to the new product, then open your own post, and say something like "I really recommend trying no fuse, after trying other fuses, this is my finding" (or something like that). Instead, people blast, either what they don't hear, or it scientifically doesn't make sense or the cost is too high.
I have no plans on bypassing the fuse, but I'd enjoy hearing what YOU hear in comparison to. Start your own thread!
I have ran gear with no fuse many times. A properly designed circuit (speaking mainly of the power supply) with a properly sized fuse (that is a technical term, not some subjective opinion) behaves no different with or without the fuse.
That being said, if a fancy fuse causes a unit to sound different than it sounds with no fuse, then the fancy fuse is doing something wrong.
A person is free to like the change to the sound caused by a fuse that is doing something wrong but, on the other hand, if the unit is listened to with no fuse first, then that person would have a base line to judge fuses by.
Does than make any sense to you or do I still need to STFU?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
No, that's great. But if you could post the differences you hear sonically. I am asking for a subjective opinion from you based on what your ears hear. Whether something measures the same, or different tells me nothing about the sound change. What do YOU hear?
It also seems that Synergistic utilizes some type of concentrated crystals for many of their products (as does Bybee) and it may be that the fuse itself does less than the crystal type application they are using.
What I'm arguing, is that the "measurement speak" does not follow up with "subjective speak" i.e., "this thing measures...and I am hearing...."
Just saying that something measures a certain way tells my subjectivist brain nothing. What is the change in sound quality? For me that's always the bottom line....
What I'm arguing is that if you think fuses make a difference to the sound of a piece of audio gear then you need to hear that piece without a fuse.
Then and only then will you know what you are looking for.
Unless you want a fuse that changes the sound of the unit to your liking. At that point all bets are off and the whole thing becomes completely subjective.
But it you want to know what your amp (or whatever piece of audio gear) sounds like without any possible harmful effects of a fuse then do as I have instructed and then go find a fuse that makes the piece of gear sound like that.
To me what I am saying makes perfect sense and is perfectly logical and I can't understand how or why anyone would argue with it.
If you want to know what a fried egg tastes like without salt, you cook and eat one without putting salt on it. On the other hand it you just want to taste the differences between different types of salt then keep doing what you're doing. Trying different fuses until you find the one that makes your amp sound (tastes) the way you like. But please understand that that is two different things.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I think we can agree to disagree. You are right about listening to a piece without a fuse. BUT--given that my amp is a tube amp, I'm not about to bypass the fuses at this point in time. Maybe with a crappier amplifier.
But even so, for the sake of argument, let's say I did that and heard a difference.
Then we get back to what I was asking for--a subjective comparison of sound quality based on no fuse vs. fuse, or no fuse vs. boutique fuses, etc.
If you have done that, can you comment on what you are hearing in terms of sound quality?
Ric,
I agree with you that the deciding factor for an audiophile is how the music sounds subjectively to their ears, not how it ought to sound on the basis of science/argument.
The problem is that how the music subjectively sounds to the same individual with the same equipment in the same place differs unaccountably over time due to variable factors. The quality of the incoming AC current, the humidity, the listener's level of stress, fatigue, and digestion, the time of day (absence of distraction at night-time) etcetera. So the level playing field on which we make our listening judgments is seldom level for long and we find ourselves having difficulty explaining the fluctuating impressions and not just between the first and second. We are comprised of chemicals with a nervous system shooting electrical messages at 200mph+ between brain and body so it's hardly surprising that we are hardly the most stable listening platform day-to-day.
People of calm disposition in good, stable health may be less impacted by internal human weather but are equally subject to constantly changing external factors.
Dry Ginger
Yeah, I think that's exactly why it is important for reviewers to listen to their equipment for weeks or preferably months--just listening to a few cuts and noting how different they sound A/B-ing it does not the the equipment justice.
Let the designers use measurements and let the reviewers/owners use their ears....
Doesn't do the reader justice either, Ric.
Reviewers are paid by the word, frequently rely on A-B listening sessions as you say, and then write up the review subject to a manufacturer's advertising influence and seductive special equipment offers. It takes an audiophile who can recognize a professional reviewer and is thoroughly familiar with their style to benefit from insightful inferences hidden behind the surface of the text, doesn't it. It's remarkable that media so burdened can survive.
Yeah, I suppose if you want to play the game, you have to prostitute yourself to some extent. I'm sure it's a PITAss to go through the hassle of getting the equipment, having a deadline,hooking it up, listening, evaluating, comparing, sending it back, and doing it all over again with more equipment.
Not my cuppa tea, and perhaps it pays the bills for some, but on the other hand, I have bought equipment based on good reviews, so I am appreciative there is SOME evaluation, biased or not!
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