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In Reply to: RE: Dedicated line vs upgraded outlet? posted by Sondek on July 29, 2020 at 14:44:24
Big thumbs-up for your AC delivery system, Sondek ;-)
I think the OP should consider both a dedicated line, and an upgraded AC outlet at the wall. The two go hand in hand. Why put all of the time and expense into installing a dedicated line, without upgrading the AC outlet in the process?
The two upgrades are separate issues, really. One optimizes the behavior of the AC circuit, while the other optimizes and tunes the AC transfer of what the dedicated line will provide. Without an Audio Grade AC outlet involved in the upgrade path, it's only half done.
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Which would you recommend as the first upgrade?
I really can't afford both at the same time. Which would give more bang for the buck, in your opinion?
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
Hope you don't mind me saying, but that is a seriously impressive collection of equipment you have. How do you ever choose what to listen to?
I generally just rotate the speakers every once in a while. No routine or schedule, all just on a whim except the Bose speakers,which are in the living room and my son's room.
Not being an audio snob or anything. It's just that my music room has acoustic treatment and I don't think they'd sound their best. I'm of the opinion that Bose needs lots of hard surfaces for reflection.
Believe it or not, the best that I've ever heard a solo acoustic piano sound was through the 901's driven by the Aleph 3 and (I think) Rogue 99 Magnum about six moves back.
Cheers.
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
if you are good with a screw driver and completely understand the dangers with voltage and how to turn it off at the breaker box, then start with the outlets. Bang for buck to start there.
*"Bass is the place! The rest is filigree and lace" Doug Sax
I tend to agree with Story on the matter.
If given a choice between a dedicated line with a mundane hardware store variety AC outlet installed at the wall vs. a HQ Audio Grade AC outlet upgrade, I would choose the latter.
The Oyaide R1, Oyaide R0, and Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) are excellent options to choose from.
I've been eyeing the Furutech, but they're so darn expensive!
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
How much would it cost for an electrician to install a dedicated line, AudioDwebe?
One of my daughter's friend is an electrician. He's done some previous work for me.
I asked him for an estimate several months back. I think it would cost me in the $400-600 range, if I recall, but that ballpark was due to the fact it was an estimate just over the phone.
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
After looking at your Inmate Systems page, and based on your stated budget-level, I suggest purchasing an Oyaide R1 Beryllium AC outlet, and some audiophile-quality power cords.
There are plenty of AA Inmates who are willing and able to provide any assistance you might require for a safe DIY AC outlet installation project. Folks go to Home Depot everyday to buy AC outlets for the purpose.
If you can operate a screwdriver, you can safely install an AC outlet at the wall, AudioDwebe.
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From your review of the two, it seems the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) seems to be more to my liking. It's more pricey, but might be the way for me to go.
What do you think?
Thank you.
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
I won't presume to know what you believe would sound best in your system.So, I will only add that in my experience with rhodium, it can sound a little bright. Before Oyaide came out with their R1, I cycled through all their colored outlets. Of the gold, rhodium, and paradium (palladium - seriously, the box had "paradium" printed on it) outlets, I favored the palladium (purple one) as the "just right" one of the three. The gold sounded soft and mushy, the rhodium one sounded hard and a bit glossy. Then came the R1. And I forgot all those others.
I forgot to add that the Furutech, even though rhodium plated, has copper as the base metal. That makes it a different animal from the Oyaide Rhodium model with its bronze base metal. It might just make for nice marriage, the rhodium/copper combo.
Edits: 08/01/20
Thank you.
For some reason, I'm thinking the Furutech is the "top of the mountain" (I'm sure due to its price) and all others fall below them.
It's a bit embarrassing to admit this when normally I'm of the belief price doesn't equate with quality.
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
I'm cock-sure you'd find either of them a wonderful improvement.
A vital matter to consider is the influence of the particular make/model AC outlet installed at the wall establishes the character of an audio set-up, systemwide. It's a key factor in the choice of custom system tuning methods.
I chose to use an Oyaide R1 AC outlet mounted on an Oyaide WPC-Z aluminum bracket with carbon fiber faceplate installed at the wall since it's an excellent sounding option for the purpose. It's relatively neutral, not hyped sounding, nor too warm sounding. The Oyaide R1 offers a notably musical and elegant presentation, with excellent detail and a firm bottom-end. It really comes into its own when an Oyaide P-004 AC plug is connected to the Oyaide R1.
If a listener wants a very lively top-end with a vivid presentation, the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlet will provide that. I choose to use the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) installed in a power line distributor for my preamplifier and DAC since those particular audio components benefit from its presentation. I use another Oyaide R1 and an unplated Oyaide R0 installed in the power line distributor for use with other power cords for my primary audio components.
So the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) is implemented for a special purpose rather than being the greatest influence on my AC delivery system.
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"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
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