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In Reply to: RE: A case study... posted by Lew on April 25, 2017 at 08:55:39
"well respected audiophiles?" Man, am I jealous!
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
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I guess that sounds pedantic or pompous. Sorry for that. I could not think of another way to say that 2 out of the 5 guys present were professionals most would recognize by name. The other 3 were me, my friend who owns the system that was being auditioned, and another well known local (suburban Maryland) audiophile (well known among local audiophiles and a very nice guy). I don't often rub elbows with the cognoscenti, but the system under audition lives up the street from me, and its owner and I are longtime friends. (It seems to me there might have been another guy there who writes for Positive Feedback, but I'm not sure.)
Maybe even a little incredulous?
axolotl
It's irrelevant to me, one way or the other, but I am curious what you meant to say. Having heard the story, you are welcome to be "incredulous", but I don't know why I would make up such a thing.
Methinks he dosn't believe you.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Why would I do that? I admit that my a priori bias and everyone else's bias was that we would hear no difference with the boutique fuse, as the circuit is not in the signal path. So why would I make it up? I mention it because it is an interesting result, for other audiophiles and tweakers. It should be especially interesting to those who are slaves to expensive tweaks.
Some many years ago, I did an experiment with power cords on my ESL speakers. My bias going in to that experiment was that power cords on an ESL bias supply should not be audible. I borrowed a few different AC cords from a dealer friend and one from an audiophile friend. To those I added the AC cord supplied by the manufacturer (Sound Lab) and a heavy gauge hardware store cord. I think I had about six different power cords, in total. To my surprise, you CAN hear the power cord on an ESL, and there were 2 out of 6 that sounded best to my ears: one was a ribbon-type (Mapleshade) and the other was the hardware store cord. There wasn't much difference between those two, but they both seemed to outperform the other aftermarket cords, one of which was truly bad sounding, as I recall. So, being an anal audiophile, I bought the Mapleshade instead of taking the cheaper route of using the hardware store cord.
Both experiences tell me that you have to try these devices in your own system with your own ears. Results can be surprising and not proportional to cost.
I was simply reacting - albeit not responding - to the statement that you were "in a room with 3-4 well respected and rather well known audiophiles, two of whom are in the business" - nothing more, nothing less.
This was prior to your acknowledgement that the comment might sound pompous or pedantic.
I have no - read, NO - issue with your anecdotal experience.
Glory, now I wish I wasn't such a smart-ass.
I am in the debt of brighter minds, here. I will go back to my position as one of the pupils, unless I am told to sit in the corner. The corner nodes are just too much for my tinnitus.
axolotl
If I want to be offended, I can just turn on Fox News.
I thought it was pertinent to mention that the other persons present when the incident took place were audio smarties, technically more knowledgeable and certainly more widely experienced than I. (One of them was the actual designer and builder of the passive preamplifier we were listening to.) That was to lend credence to the story. Yet there was no dispute among us; all 4 or 5 of us heard the fuse effect exactly the same way. Even to the point that we all agreed on WHY the sound of the boutique fuse was not as good as that of the hardware store fuse. Further, I think the fact that we ABA'd the two fuses is also supportive of the conclusion that "something" was going on. Albeit, the test was not blinded, which would have been better.
My a priori bias was that the fuse could not possibly make a difference, since it was not in any way in the signal path or even subserving the signal path. Others felt the same. (I guess by now I have repeated myself here.)
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