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I hooked this up today. I noticed its clear and defined but the soundstage collapsed and is a little more swallow than with the Hubbell 8300. The Hubbell had a huge change in the sound quality when I first put it in and just got better in time more than the Oyaide R1 did at first.I know this is just within the first hour so I will let it go for another week before I make a decision to keep it in or pull it out.
How long did it take for others to notice a big change in sound during the break in period?
Btw, I never got the WPC-Z cover from what ever neighbor has it that was accidently delivered to them. Just pisses me off cause I have gotten packages for other people delivered to me but I would take it to them. That's just how the world is now. Amazon did refund me the money. The next time the delivery guy comes I will ask him if he can remember which house he dropped it off at.
Edits: 08/23/16Follow Ups:
I went from the Oyaide (several different ones) to the Furutech GTX-D and found the Furutech just more musical. YMMV
You mentioned using Amazon to purchase the WPC-Z cover...
but was ordered through Amazon. Dealer was cool and quick to jump on Amazon.
I purchased two R-1 Outlets from an Ebay seller from Seattle, WA.
I noticed right away when I tried to plug an Oyaide P=004 into it that the Ground Blades in the R-1 were blocking the male plug...
I disassembled the R-1 and found the blades were never angled to accept a plug...
Here is an R-O Outlet, notice the bend in the ground blades that accepts and puts pressure on the ground blade from the male plug...
....with the counterfeit R-1's is the finish. Legitimate R-1's have a dull finish (to the thermoplastic)....the counterfeit's are shiny.
I purchased one of those bargains a while ago (for $75) from the guy in Seattle just to see if he was selling the real thing....uhh, no. The unit was shiny. Most people wouldn't know the difference, especially since the duplex comes in a seemingly legit Oyaide box (and how were they obtained??).
Who knows what plating is used, in addition to the substrate used for the contacts....I highly doubt it's beryllium copper, which costs a lot more than brass alloy. In other words, how the hell could someone sell the real deal for $75?
I found there are at least two different Seattle Ebay sellers offering questionable audio items...
On my two I also noticed the "UL Symbol" is larger...
I was also surprised by the perfect looking Oyaide boxes...
I took one of my older R-1 outlets apart and noticed the inside of the top of the outlet had a subtle pebble finish, and the Ebay unit was smooth.
I guess it is easy for fakes to be made.
Making a perfect box is a lot easier than a perfect outlet..
Seems like there's fakes for everything. The above are the current offerings on Amazon for the WPC-Z cover plates (love the item descriptions: "outlets").
I like the one for $139.99. :) But after a quick check at a couple reputable places that I would actually buy such an item from, indications are it's almost certainly a fake. (VH Audio is $239.99, Music Direct is $256).
Sigh.
can be up and running in minutes by changing their basic site info...
This came from a recent article about the drastic increase of Amazon "Fake" products...
I'm really curious what your ultimate findings will be. I had an R1 in my system, and after giving it about 300 hours, I decided I liked my Jena Labs cryoed Hubbells more. But that was probably a synergy thing, as I use a lot of Jena stuff in my rig. The R1 is a quality outlet, to be sure, but like anything in this hobby, it's not for everyone. Keep us posted!
"Life is like Sanskrit read to a pony." --Lou Reed
The R1 got lots of press but In prefer my SWO-XXX. I have both. The WPC-Z cover is amazing.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Edits: 08/24/16
You're not the only person to state a preference for the SWO-XXX over the R1. I've talked to several people who feel the same way.
And, yes, the WPC-Z is the real deal. It made a significant enough difference for me to buy six of 'em!
"Life is like Sanskrit read to a pony." --Lou Reed
The difference was? Was it like more blacker background?
The biggest difference for me was that the presentation just became cleaner and clearer. Vocals and guitar strums had more focus, and subtle details in the mix could be heard more easily, with the WPC-Z in place. This was the case with both the R-1 and my Jena outlets.Hope this helps! And sorry about your misdelivered WPC-Z. It really sucks what things have come to.
"Life is like Sanskrit read to a pony." --Lou Reed
Edits: 08/24/16
It's a bit ironic that the introduction of the Oyaide SWO-XXX was one of the most contentious AC outlets in the forums, since a number of end users at the time reported the SWO-XXX sounded too analytical, too bright, with a spotlighted treble energy, is now considered neutral if not musical sounding. I think an enormous amount of burn-in time that many folk's SWO-XXX have gone through might be a reason why the SWO-XXX is better accepted these days.
And I must agree, since I still use the original SWO-XXX in all three of my audio systems: An SWO-XXX installed at the wall for each of my second systems, and an SWO-XXX for my DAC installed in a PLC within my main audio system. Most interesting is how much more mellow the SWO-XXX actually sounds now after many years of use, with its midrange characteristic being more upfront to my ear these days rather than the spotlighted treble energy issue, IME.
My SWO-XXX sounded relaxed and toward dark from the first listen. It and the WPC-Z were installed at the same time. Not at all bright. They were bought from and cryoed by Lee at Cryoparts.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Duster says: " Most interesting is how much more mellow the SWO-XXX actually sounds now after many years of use,"How the heck do you know its the SWO-XXX that sounds much mellower?
Even if you've not changed anything else within 2 weeks(like the rest of us LOL) let alone many years, surely the multitude of other bits could be mellowing with time.
I have no reason to doubt it is getting mellower with time, but
I can't keep track of how a cable is burning in, let alone an outlet
Edits: 08/26/16
My findings are based on many different installation projects over the years since the introduction of the product. Since my first listen to the SWO-XXX, my subjective impression of its presentation has changed after many hours of use. A fully burned-in SWO-XXX is no longer what I would consider an AC outlet with an analytical sonic signature, and a spotlighted treble energy. In that regard, after many hours of use, I find it to be a mellower if not a somewhat warmer sounding AC outlet than the SWO-XXX was once considered to be at the time of its introduction.
So I was really, really lucky she was too lazy to throw out her trash. Day later 'net says they were delivered. I lucked out seeing her in the hallway.. happened to ask her. "Oh yeah, I threw it away.. In her apt the opened package, and mushed up wire in the trash.
She had no idea it was worth $400 USED. All she saw was 'nothing she wanted'.
The UPS guy handed them to anyone who walked by. And the signature? LOL
So I am sorry you never got your stuff.
To have made such a crappy and bone-headed move and not receive at least a tongue lashing from you. I would certainly remind her about opening other people's mail and then throwing it away.
If she was hot though, and you were single... I can see where a "gosh darn, I sure am glad you didn't throw away the garbage" might happen.
That's quite a bit of money for them too.
Check this one out! When I was doing upgrades and customer sent me their power amp to upgrade via fedex. I saw it was delivered but I was home and the fedex never came to my house. It was 8:30pm and some guy comes walking up to my house with a big box on his shoulders. Low and behold, it was that customer's power amp.
The guy said he just got home from work and this package was on his porch. I thanked him for bringing it to me and I bought him a 12 pack of Samual Adams. That amp was a $5k amp.
Times have changed and a lot of people now don't care enough to take the packages to the rightful owners
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The Oyaide R-1 is one of those audio devices that require many hours of burn-in before it performs at its best. Judging the sonic signature of the R-1 right off the bat, right after a fresh installation job is like judging a high-performance audio cable without any burn-in time. I recommend concentrating on being patient rather than judging its sonic merit way too soon.
I was just posting what I noticed right off compared to the Hubbell 8300 when it was first installed. It was not as big improvement as the 8300 and that the soundstage had shrunk a little. That's not saying the R1 is not good, it's just maybe the R1 is not that a big improvement over 8300 compared to the 8300 over the stock outlet that it replaced.
I have been building cables and doing upgrades for a while so I know how things will take time. I even posted that. One week (7 Days) is good enough time to see if it works in my system or not.
I do have patience, like I said before I know this will take time. Even the other person that replied to my OP confirmed what I had said about the soundstage. This is why I asked how long does it usually take for the Oyaide R1 to break in. Different things have different break in periods.
I'm bummed to hear you didn't get the cover. I know the R-1 is more praised but I still like the purple SWO-XXX which costs a little less.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
it was delivered to the wrong address and that person never brought it too me. Oh well, amazon did refund the money.
Yes I read that. I'm glad you got your money.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Hi Cougar,
New cables and AC outlets often sound closed-in or congested before ample burn-in time is completed. An open sounding soundstage presentation is what folks often seek, and the Oyaide R-1 helps provide a rock solid, open sounding soundstage after many hours of burn-in, IME. If it didn't, it would be unacceptable to my ear.
7 days = 168 hours. That will only provide the first stage of burn-in, but of course it's up to you decide to give it more time or not. Just trying to be of help, since folks might jump the gun and reject a device if it is not satisfactory from the get-go. You might experiment with your gold Furutech AC plug after the Oyaide R-1 settles into your system.
Cheers, Duster
sound like that and a little rolled off."New cables and AC outlets often sound closed-in or congested before ample burn-in time is completed."
So I am familiar with it. In the case of the 8300 the soundstage was wide right off the bat but was a lot warmer sounding until around 75-100 hours on it.
"R-1 helps provide a rock solid, open sounding soundstage after many hours of burn-in."
Ok, this is good to know.
"7 days = 168 hours. That will only provide the first stage of burn-in, but of course it's up to you decide to give it more time or not. Just trying to be of help, since folks might jump the gun and reject a device if it is not satisfactory from the get-go. You might experiment with your gold Furutech AC plug after the Oyaide R-1 settles into your system."
Ah, now this is what I was after! Ok, Yes, since I'm not familiar with the materials (Beryllium and Paradium on Platinum) it uses so I don't know how long to break in so that's why I had ask. Now I have a good Idea how long now.
I will try the Furutech out on this. I have already made some Neotech cables (3002 MKIII and 3003 MKIII cables) with Rhodium AC plugs and IEC plugs. So I should be set there but won't hurt to try the Furutech ac plugs.
Thank You for the detailed info on the Oyaide R1. Too bad I don't have the WPC-z cover to try with it. :(
Edits: 08/23/16
Premature posting again ? (-:
Takes 100 to 200 hrs to break in.
But there's another thing IMO that does bad things to imaging and that is cryogenic treatment, Back in the days when you could get regular and cryo'd plugs and outlets of the same make and model, it was clear that cryo treatment did lower noise floor but narrowed the soundstage.
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