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In Reply to: RE: More to add to the thousands out there already. posted by Norm on June 20, 2012 at 10:31:17
Perhaps those particular products do indeed sound like shite, but I don't consider my own particular system tuning device configurations via various points, cones, tiptoes, spikes, and balls involving different metals, woods, and compliant materials to be mindless efforts :-D
I must say also that the StillPoints Ultra SSs and now the even better Ultra Fives have just turned off any further interest in lessor devices.
I was referring to the designers mindless quest not ours. I still have three brass, one inch high tiptoes which have three tiptoes on one side and one up. I have never seen them for sales in the ten years since I bought these. They were clearly better than the aluminum Tiptoes.
The price of a set of three StillPoints Ultra SS is $675.00. Even within the realm of pricey high end vibration control devices, that is a substantial price point for many folks to consider. That said, is it commendable to place a wet blanket over potentially affordable devices that folks with less funds may be willing/able to spend towards their humble system tuning efforts? If I had a penchant to do such a thing in Cable Asylum regarding moderate-cost cables and connectors that are below my own personal budgeting radar, I reckon I would quite quickly become rather unpopular in that forum.
It wasn't long ago (and some still do) when inmates placed split rubber balls, inner tubes, or for all I know, whoopee cushions under their gear, and found themselves to be happy campers as a result...
Do I wish the StillPoints devices were less expensive? Certainly! Do I think they could be made less expensively? I don't think so. Why do I think there are not less expensive devices? They all have a resonance frequency or several frequencies. It is pick your poison.
There is or was one device that had continuously variable resonance. The Neuance shelf made by compressing a three inch sheet of styrofoam with hot plates on both side did this. The inexpensive way of doing this threatened the health of the maker, but no one has sought to do this without a threat to their manufacturing.
I am being realistic in saying that results with most brass tiptoes will be about the same as others, and so on for soft devices, spring, bladders, wood, carbon, steel, aluminum and various combinations.
Until you hear the new StillPoints isolation feet, you can have no appreciation of how fruitless the quest for other isolation devices. I have absolutely no stake in this company.
I don't know where you got the impression that I may have suggested the notion of inexpensive vibration devices being clearly better than your favorite StillPoints. It's been made abundantly clear (and for quite some now) that you find the StillPoints to clearly be the best in your experience. No one wants to change your mind about that. If I evaluated the footers, I might come to agree with you. My point was not about you, it's about allowing room in the forum for other folks who can't afford $675.00 vibration control devices.
I was merely saying that in my personal experience there are minuscule differences among most isolation products. That it is basically a pick your poison proposition. I also think most new products will offer much that is better than the products that preceded them. After many years of minor improvements with many of the products just sitting in boxes, you will just have to forgive me for being tired on the same efforts over and over.
Then the point is that you've found no improvements clearly for the better via inexpensive vibration control devices. It's pointless for me to argue about such an unusual thing to say, since I've found substantial improvements and various system tuning flavors to choose from while evaluating and implementing inexpensive and moderate-cost level vibration control devices and methods. Oh well, nuff said.
The best isolation/vibration control device I've found is a lawn mower or other small, rubber tired machine innertube partially inflated topped by a maple cutting board. It CAN be leveled with some care.
You'll have to trust me on this, buggy cords are light years ahead of inner tubes.
Now were you to have a tapered bungee cord that might be interesting. I always wished someone made a tapered spring with wire that went from very thin to very thick.
I think you mean different spring rates. Resonant frequency is a characteristic of the system, not the spring, and is a function of the spring rate.
What's the difference whether the spring is tapered or the wire is tapered? And what advantage do you think either one would have over a conventional spring?
Why would you want to vary the spring rate of the spring or the resonant frequency (of the system)? Wouldn't you want the lowest possible spring rate for a given load, thus the lowest resonant frequency? The characteristic of the spring is its spring rate, whereas resonant frequency, a function of the total spring rate of all the springs and the mass, is a system characteristic.
That is why I love the StillPoints Ultra Fives and the Neuance shelves.
You will always get some low frequency vibrations making their way up through the isolator no matter how hard you try. Nothing is perfect.
I take it you mean bungee cords. Please explain...
Suspension via one or more bungee cords. One is obviously best.
Why did you have to mention cords? Now I have a brain itch. The only way for me to scratch it is buy all sorts of bungee cords and experiment. I won't eat nor sleep; I'll forget about my girlfriend, Dr. appointments, my mail will pile up. All this because you said bungee cord. But in the end even if bungee cords don't work for me my girlfriend can use them to strap me down when I hear of the next big tweak.
...tell me, or show me, more please. I'm already mapleblock and raquetballed throughout. I'd need something new to obsess on. ;-)
See ya. Dave
Well, you'd have to think about how many bungee cords per component you want to use, what their spring rates would need to be per component (weight), how to attach the bungee cords to the component and how to anchor the other ends of the bungee cords. You can use the maple blocks for cutting boards and the racket balls for playing racketball.
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