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Today I found 40ft of Belden 89292 and was going to try and use it for 10ft speaker cable lengths. I don`t have enough to double up and make it 11g equivalent. I have pulled back the shield on both ends so they won`t be connected. I`ll be using it with Golden Tube SE40 and 11 ohm Echelon speakers by Harmonic Precision. Do you think this will damage anything, do you have any other suggestions? I might go back and get more wire. I paid $30 for the 40 feet. Thanks for any help.
Bob,The foil and tinned copper braid should be removed completely for this to make a good speaker cable, if you leave the foil and braid in place, without hooking them up, it will not make for very good sonics.
Essentially, you will be using only the foamed teflon core with the solid 14 gauge bare copper wires as the conductors. Twist them tightly, and use some quality heatshrink to bind them together as tightly as possible.
Jon Risch
While I'm not familiar with the specs on that specific cable, from what I can gather from Jon's notes, you should end up with some very nice sounding speaker wire. I have used wire similiar to this (solid 14 gauge twisted pair) but not with the teflon jacket. If anything, your wire should outperform the stuff that I've used. I think that you'll really like the performance of this wire.It should offer a very spacious soundstage with excellent detail and definition. Mids and treble should be ultra smooth, especially with your tube amp. Bass should have better definition and attack, but may lose some extension depending on what you were using before. Good luck and let us know how you like it. Sean
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You don't lose bass extension with "fat wire", but with the specific way that the wire is designed. I and several others here have noticed that using twisted pair speaker wiring (solid or stranded) has resulted in a slight volume and depth loss in the lowest octave of bass. The mid and upper bass, along with the rest of the frequency range, is greatly improved in terms of transient response and definiton though. Those that have noticed this and posted it agreed that the better attack, detail and clarity throughout the frequency range were worth FAR more than losing some of the extreme bottom end. My experience has been with 14 gauge solid wire in a twisted pair configuration. I don't know if 12 gauge solid would improve the situation or not, as i have never tried it yet. Sean
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I had seen several posts about larger guage wire and loss of bass extension, thus the question. I guess I just assumed the wire guage was the issue as opposed to the configuration. I was just curious.
I'm no expert on speaker wire, but last week I replaced my 12 guage Monster stranded wire, with 12 guage solid copper wire I purchased at Home Depot. The wire was 10 cents a foot, so I spent $3 to experiment. I don't know any specs on the solid wire, but I guess it had a PVC jacket. The sound was definitely different. After a few hours of listening, I determined that the bass was much more prominent, but it was so loose and undefined that I decided to take it out. The wife said it sounded "muddled" compared to the old wire. Maybe I would have had better luck with 14 guage in the twisted configuration.Newbie Question: in the twisted pair configuration, is the "twisted pair" split out at termination so that one becomes the "+" and one the "-", or is the twisted pair terminated as one "+" lead and one twisted pair terminated as the "-" lead?
While you can run several sets of wire in a twisted pair / weave configuration (ala Kimber, etc), my experience has been with a single + and a single - conductor twisted around each other. It is important that the twists be spaced closely with minimal air space between the two conductors. I have never tried running parralel runs of solid wire, like standard lamp or speaker cord. I have no idea of how this would sound. Evidently, not very good.Since you already invested in the solid wire, it's time to do some "sperimentin". After all, you've got a long weekend coming up with nothing better to do, right ??? : )~
Break out a low speed drill or cordless screwdriver and stick the two wires into the chuck and tighten them down. You can run the drill at low speed and slowly twist the wires around each other. Take your time. While you will lose some overall length due to the twisting, it is important to keep them tight and evenly spaced. Give this a try and see how it turns out. I'd be interested to see what you think of this. Sean
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Thanks, I may try that with some 14 guage, the 12 guage is just too stiff to work with. I also tried the 12 guage with my center channel speaker (RS PRO CS5) which sounds "dark" to begin with. The results were not good, everything sounded very dark and muddled in my HT setup.
I can believe that the 12 gauge is a pain in the butt to work with !!! Read BobM's responses to the solid twisted design. It tends to sound much smoother and slightly lean, surely not "dark" or "muddy".If your going to buy 14 gauge, save the time and effort and just pick up some pre-fabbed solid 14 copper twisted pair. It's still VERY cheap and should be available via almost any electrical supply house or wire distributor. Good luck. Sean
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