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In Reply to: Re: Capacitors don't matter ... posted by BFitz on July 26, 2000 at 07:29:54:
The film caps in my case and in the single ended tube guys case are preceded by large value chokes which is more work and expense but enables the building of a component such as preamp, D/A convertor, turntable PS or even low power amp with NO electrolytic capacitors. I can tell you from my own experimentation that introducing even the highest quality electrolytic into such an electrolytic-free system is like turning off the magic switch. The gains are sometimes staggering from eliminating such a large source of irritation.I think a lot of the problem is due to the delayed resonance problem that the Jung test hinted at. Energy is lost to the movement of the plates inside the capacitor setting up radial waves from the center to the outer case and then resulting reflections back into the core. The highly etched aluminum plates, which are like ceramic in the more miniaturized ones, can resonate at high and not very damped frequencies and this energy in turn causes changes in the capacitance and thus affects the voltage across the capacitor. The capacitor value versus time will be a very complex function related to the exciting voltage and all the individual properties of the parts it is constructed from. And when used in the typical capacitor input power supply, they are subjected to very high current pulses which probably excites many internal resonance modes. All conjecture on my part and no evidence to back it up except based on these ideas, capacitors wrapped in a layer of lead viscoelastically coupled to the case have proven to myself and others to be a dramatic improvement when used in power supplies and most other areas that are not "directly" handling an audio signal (power supply caps of course do supply all the audio current and so I think should be considered directly in the signal path).
Dave
Hi Dave,Like Bob and others, I've found your recent posts to be fascinating.
Have you ever tried Sanyo Oscon electrolytics? I've not seen them mentioned here, which I find surprising as they are excellent. Unbeatable impedence values, plus they have a solid electrolyte which must substantially reduce microphony. I always use them now in low-level circuits (max voltage is 25V).
You are a fan of chokes then. I'd love to hear a bit about your experiences with these PSUs. Are they superior to gyrator/regulated PSUs in your opinion?
Dan
Hi DanielHope you got the recent e-mail I sent. We are about ready to fall off the edge of my screen so better end it here or start some other thread...:-)
I haven't tried the Oscons but they do seem to solve some of the problems with coiled-plate type caps. Philips makes a comparable solid aluminum electrolyytic I believe. The sound of the solid epoxy molded tantalum is pretty good as well when compared to typical electrolytics but values are somewhat low and they get expensive fast. Not in the same league as a well made film cap though, especially my favorite type which is a solid block of epoxy impregnated paper film.
By gyrator regulated PSU do you mean capacitor multiplying type circuits using a pass transistor? I have used similar schemes in the past but in recent times I have been directly regulating across the choke resistance using shunt regulators. This is the best I have tried out of many different designs including all manner of series type regulators. Nothing but copper from the rectifiers to the circuit load.
Dave
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