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In Reply to: Re: different alloys do distinctly different things... posted by KlausR. on November 22, 2006 at 10:00:15:
What's with this "afraid of facing the truth" thing you keep firing at me ? Crypto-Freudian analysis or what ?I make my best efforts with the things I have at hand... I trust my perceptions, I experiment relentlessly, I double check against other peoples perceptions, favoring those with no "audiophile" mindset for obvious reasons....
Like, right now I'm experimenting with shifting the silver resonators for best result, only listening to traffic noises through my window.... by changing them around so they are above ear level and distibuting them evenly around the room, there is a distinct clarification of outside noises, the sound of truck engines, brakes, I can much more clearly hear voices shouting down on the street, even the pulsating ganzfield of mixed urban backgound activities has taken on sort of a fascinating density...
I'm not averse to trying the tibetan bowls, I just might, although they are heavy, being made of fused quartz, and physically large, and not any $25 dollars either, like, where did that number come from ?, try $200-$250 each depending on size
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Maybe you shouldn't! Ever heard of the Franssen effect? This effect cleary shows that human auditory percpetion is easy to fool.I think that if you did the test you are in for a surprise and that maybe you would estimate your auditory perception in a different light.
If cups and Hallographs are no audiophile toys, I don't know what ARE audiophile toys. I have discussed with B. Piazza about that device and I have drawn my conclusions.
You can experiment with those cups as long as you want, I'm afraid that without proper controls you are just fooling yourself.
$20/piece, simple enough, some odd website on my side of the Great Lake.
I'm sort of fed up with golden ear talk and decided to challenge the golden eared whenever I come across them, you just happen to be today's target :-) So far no golden ear or reviewer has accepted that challenge.
Klaus
This is further confounded by the presupposition that "hearing" is simply a duct that goes somewhere in the brain where there is a "audio bone" that well... it does something... and that causes... a little man who listens to the audio bone, who has an even littler audio bone inside of his head... you see.. there is a hidden logic to all of this... I'm just sure of it...On the other hand.... hearing is not a one dimensional construction... if what I'm reading about contemporary neuroscience is correct, there are multiple auditory mechanisms, some relatively modern, in evolutionary terms, others far more ancient... and there may actually be significant differences in some hard to quantify "perceptual intelligence" ... so it is quite possible that some of us have a more highly developed secondary acoustic processing region in the cerebellum, and others don't... those afflicted with Williams Syndrome have enlarged cerebella in this region and display unusual sensitivity, and love of music.... although they manifest marked cognitive deficiencies as well... so the divergence in the audio community (or sub communities) may indeed, my intuition is that it does, have a strong neural basis, some people literally cannot "get" certain aspects of the auditory experience, this is particularly true of autistics... there may well be a more subtle form of audio perceptual deficiency that is akin to color blindness in the visual system... I also suspect that some of us raving audio maniacs are the way we are because we are mildly synesthetic (seems to have something to do with the TPO junction in the brain, a region, interestingly, that is also where metaphor generation is believed to happen) and the auditory experience triggers a multi layered sensory blooming that stimulated the *nucleus accumbens*, where, um... orgasms also happen.... assuming there is some validity to this and brain science isn't hopelessly out to lunch on the topic, we may well co-exist is parallel but fundamentally incommunicable private worlds...
I'd like to read that myself, would you have detailed info?
As for the challenge, the CD contains three sets of tracks:1st set
Frequency range is limited by different high frequency cut-off frequencies (low-pass filters). One of the tracks is an analog copy of the original, a second is a digital copy of the original. You first have to identify those copies (hidden reference), then put the remaining 10 tracks in the correct order.2nd set
Phase shifts, inner and interaural. One track is a copy of the original, two tracks include inner phase shifts which are not audible, you first have to identify those 3 tracks, the remaining 5 tracks have to be put in correct order.3rd set
Interaural delay, right channel is delayed with respect to left channel. One track is without delay, the remaining 10 tracks have to be put in correct order.
DBT with hidden reference. Give it a go.
Klaus
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