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In Reply to: Transcendent vs. Atmos-Sphere posted by Curtis Amplatz on September 14, 1999 at 12:49:18:
Hi,
This note above was posted (exactly as is) to Bruce's users group.
Several followups were added, none of them inflammatory, yet ALL of
them were deleted. Sigh, who would want to buy from someone with
such a draconian attitude? Despite his penchant for negative
feedback in his amps, he sure can't take it (even when its not
negative).
Good one. Its fairly obvious that Bruce encourages Atma-Sphere bashing but runs and hides when confronted by others. The most interesting thing about all of his running is related to a post by Mark Gilmore a while back where Mark challenged Bruce's theories regarding the design of Atma amps and bass response. This subject is what it all this boils down to - no? Bruce ran away from the debate. So, he bashes the bass respone of Atma-Sphere amps, runs away when confronted by a peer, still ecourages others to spew mindless propaganda which can't be backed up and moderates his forum to the point where no one can say anything about this. I don't care how good his product is or what kind of demos and services he offers - his business practices really lack integrity.
Well, if I were Bruce's mother I guess I would lecture him about tolerating his guests, even if they they are trashing his sandbox. As I said in my post to Phil below, I wish we would stop focusing on egos and focus on the merits of the equipment. Would I buy an amp from someone who doesn't like criticism of his design? Yep, if it is a better amp than others I have heard.
This has nothing to do with egos. It has to do with the way in which Bruce is spreading this propaganda about Atma-Sphere and how he deals with the resulting confrontation. Either I'm paranoid or you don't see the big picture.
Bryan, I have dealt with both Bruce and an Atma-Sphere dealer. I told Bruce that I intended to audition both his amp and the Atma-Sphere amps. He encouraged me to do so. Did he think that his OTL was better than Atma-Sphere's? Yep. Did he trash the Atma-Sphere design? Nope. I spoke with the Atma-Sphere dealer. Did she think that Ralph's design was better? Yep. Did she trash the Transcendent design? Nope. So, my own personal experience doesn't suggest that either designer is trying to defame the other. And, I'm just kind of amazed that a single post regarding bass from the Atma-Sphere can raises all these claims of conspiracy and fraud. If Bruce was trying to set something up, don't you think he would have someone use a speaker other than Maggies to make this claim? As I said earlier, I just want people to talk about the merits of the equipment rather than the motives/ego/defensiveness of the designers. As to your last point, I think I can see the big picture. Since I don't know you, however, I'm not ready to make the judgment that you're paranoid.
Chris, it's not what he says to you or any customer in a private telephone conversation, it's his comportment on this forum (and his own)that has Bryan's (and my) knickers in a twist. While I can't prove Curtis Amplatz is a plant, it looks mighty suspicious. And I've accused Bruce of nothing that he didn't accuse me of first.The argument that "he paid for it so he can do what he wants" can only go so far. Sure, he can't post on his forum that his amps will let you hear the voice of God and delete all naysayers. But, as Bryan pointed out earlier, he couldn't handle a technical discussion on amp design and performance and had to delete that too because a techically competent poster had a different view. Was that a service to his readers and prospective customers?
Oh, as to the Maggies, they are very popular with quite a few on this forum and many owners or prospective owners have asked about Maggies and tube amps. So I think it's the perfect choice to turn the heads of fence-sitters.
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