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going to an art gallery with tinted glasses.
True or false?
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what a loaded question. I will take a stab. I prefer tubes because they provide a nice midrange that is fleshed out and rounded. Tubes also provide better decay on cymabls and stringed instruments. Solid state tends to truncate the decay of instruments. A quality i do not find very convincing musically. Of course the more money that you throw at a tube amplifier or solid state amplifier the shortcomings diminish. I have heard some very good solid state amplifiers. Unfortunately they are priced extremely high. I feel you get more bang for your buck with Tubes. Of course the bottom end will not have the control of solid state but i feel tubes capture the soul of music a little more. Just my .02 cents worth!
I bi-amp with SS for the bottom and tubes for the rest.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Neither. The analogy is flawed.
That's ridiculous.
Tubes or transistors, choose your poison .
I believe quality tubes in an appropriate circuit are more linear. Some prefer transistors. Nothing can compare to the original performance. You choose your poison...-
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Very interesting. Thank you.
Until you have listened to an all Direct Heated Triode Single Ended Triode system with speakers that will fill your room with music with less than one watt, you haven't fully evaluated tubes. Save the SS for the bass and subs.
Courtesy FB
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Edits: 11/22/23
More about it found here .
Agree with your assessment.
Clusterfuck with mood lighting.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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When I play music this is what I have... I guess that makes it 64 pair of tinted glasses?
When I play a CD each channel's audio goes through two triodes. (autoformer volume control to single triode driver stage to direct heated SET output stage)4 when I play an LP. And if I built it balanced you can double the numbers.
That is just for the mids and highs. The bass signal path is SS.
I can't dream what your system is doing with all of those tubes?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 11/20/23
No solid state components directly in the signal path unless I am using a CD player or a DAC. The main point here being that people should not be afraid of tubes - when I play a tape the noise I hear is the tape itself, nothing else, and that's with horns.I don't recommend it to an average user, however... as a tube issue CAN be hard to pinpoint. Fortunately, with good tubes that is pretty rare.
Overall people get impressed with the system's musicality and transparency.
Edits: 11/22/23
Depends on how you like your music.
I find solid state has more surgical precision, so if that is what you listen for, then SS is your solution.
On the other hand, the presentation of tubes is less precise. The term 'musical' comes to mind. If music is your objective, you should try tubes.
Musicality and precision might be met in a system with powerful tube SET and quality horns. I doubt if any SS system could compete if one is looking for both musicality and clarity.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
going to an art gallery "displaying only posters of the originals."
True or false?
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
false, same is true for tubes, just different artists and paints.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
it's extraordinarily more difficult to achieve transparency with transistors than with tubes. The end result is that most commercial SS gear fails to achieve what was accomplished with tubes decades earlier.
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"No Smocking Gun..."
Tube amps vary a lot from push pull to single ended, with all kinds of circuits incorporating things like direct coupling, feedback etc.
Tubes themselves vary from DHT triodes to big pentodes and everything in between.
With a minimum of stages and really low distortion tubes you can get amazing clarity.
one can rival SS for 'detail' a 'clarity' while still retaining that 'vacuum tube magic', whatever that is.
None of my tube gear exhibits any 'tubieness' as did a lot of my older tube gear.
First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass
No, I don't find it that way at all.
I find that it is like listening to music that is not reproduced by transistors.
"No Smocking Gun..."
I use a tube line stage and solid state amp. But I'd say listening with solid state is like listening through tinted glasses, just a different tint.
Indeed every amp is tinted , tube or solid state, just each one tube or solid state has a different tint. The choice is yours.
n/t
Then of course there is the massive, ubiquitos, and persavive EQing and other signal manipulations that are applied to recorded music during mastering and production, to tweak the sound to the engineer's, producer's, and (very occassionally) musician's desires.
But let's not go there :)
A lot depends on the design, but the once i have and like is emotionally involving with great 3 D Imaging while relaxing on a comfortable recliner
What matters is how it sounds to your ears in your home and your listening area. The mode of reproduction is secondary to your experience and pleasure. My main system happens to be Conrad Johnson but my secondary systems are solid state. Each has it s place and sounds good to my ears.
Sim
CAN NOT EMPHASISE THIS COMMENT ENOUGH!
especially as it applies to transformer coupled amplifiers.
The old counterpoint company once claimed that their preamp had lower nois because the had two 6DJ8s in the line stage -
However because of the implementation, it was actually twice as noisy-
and that was 30 years ago...
Happy Listening
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