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This is the response that I received from Old_Guy_Radiola after I was persistent about the 7316 RCA tubes that he sold me. The fact that it is ostensibly from the military, which was the first answer that I received, does not address the curious labeling. I only wanted a legitimate provenance, and was not informed about the "not released to the public" information (which seems like obfuscation) until this rather juvenile, petulant, and paranoid response...Yikes! My main point was that it was odd, and might have raised 'a red flag' with them (being tube experts); apparently not.Also, I am not the guy that they think I am. I am a private citizen who, yes, must rely on what he reads on the internet, where I welcome anyone to find another example of this tube (that is not offered by this seller).
"Thinking you know it all.... At first We though you were seriousListen up Dumb ass .. Apparently Your Knowledge is quit low. Are you one of these people that go by what you read on the internet .
Dude you where not there . what do you know?? We have the original contracts and many tubes not released to the public.
What a waist of time you are.
We love it though . We need entertainment once in a while .
On another NOTE:
We Know who you are. You sell garbage tubes on another sight .
We have had many complaints about you and your dealings , and how you try to get tubes for free .
Maybe our store in Canada That you tried to screw. They should follow up on how you tried to screw them .
I will message them .
Have a nice day!!
Hugs and Kisses
Ken"
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Makes it hard for scammers and assholes to sell much product. But it still happens to newcomers, unfortunately. Thanks for the heads up :)
Check out the writing style of Kssauduio230 and the response from OGR (now Bangybangtubes) in the original post and compare. It is the same person. If more people complained directly to ebay they might oust this charlatan.
Or you can just see that his name is ken and he admits to them being his tubes anyway. Ed/Andy always said he had a partner but regardless they both are just as quick to cull imaginary clout and insults to match that entirely are contingent on ostensible bullshit and the credulity of the target.
90% of all the post's are insane .
It sound's like a bunch of high school girl's
I Bought some Great tube's from the Old Guy. Had The best result's
The owner Passed away Months ago . There is a new owner.
That store has near 5000 Great reviews.
How is that possible With all the Comment's here. jealousy? Maybe?
The new store has Great item's . They supply great tube's
Funny how Some of you in this post Ripped me off!
You know who you are.
Seems Those talking Crap are the one's I got screwed by .
How does that work?
Ken
You're a manchild and I can't believe that Ed:Andy found an equally retarded partner in you
Inquiring minds want to know what that ol' rascal OGR, aka BangyBang, is up to? Here you go; for a 'measly' 500 smackeroonis
Matched Quad Vintage 6350 RCA Gold Pin Black Plate - BangyBang Tubes
www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Quad-Vintage-6350-RCA-Gold-Pin-Black-Plate-BangyBang-Tubes/401522421839?epid=168137230&hash=item5d7c99f04f:g:Il4AAOSwef9a0Wy9
All I can say is don't buy from him unless you are 1000% sure of what you are buying. Actually, you shouldn't buy from him at all because his prices are pure insanity and he's a douche on top of it. Not to mention his descriptions are so over the top.
How he has maintained a 100% feedback is beyond me. He's a modern day charlatan in every sense of the word. And when you question him he belittles you and makes it seem like he is the supreme tube guru and how dare you question me!
RCA never made a 7316 end of story. I described the variations in the other thread.
I've been dealing with old stock tubes for many years. Here's the final word on these RCA "7316" tubes. I was baffled because I couldn't remember any U.S. made tube having a foil strip D getter. I have never seen a RCA 12AU7 with this getter, nor have I ever seen a RCA 7316 in the flesh or in any RCA tube manual.
These so called 7316 tubes are actually RCA 5963 tubes. I have tons of them. Most of these have 1956,57,58 date codes. They also have a 2 Letter etched code. I have posted a link to a closed eBay auction which shows the ones I'm talking about, and if you look at tubes 1 & 3 of the bottom row of the SECOND picture you'll see these codes.
Finally, after testing and selling thousands of RCA tubes...THAT FONT ON OGR's TUBES IS JUST PLAIN WRONG!!! I even pointed out OGR's tubes to my wife and asked her, "What is the first thing you notice with these tubes...?" She agreed, weird font.
I sell tubes on Ebay and this guy is a P.O.S. that makes the few of us try to make an honest living look bad. I CAN'T for the life of me figure out how he has 100% feedback as these tubes aren't the only shady thing I've seen from him. Caveat Emptor!
"I KNOW you can hear it, but are you REALLY listening?"
...or is that portraying him too debonairly?
Rudy Kurniawan Wikipedia (link)
Cory
What an Asshole. I buy nothing from this jerk.
How is it, than any vendor can have these issues and yet also have 100% feedback? Makes the feedback thing a bit of a scam. No?
Maybe, I'm missing something?
Most if not all of us have been around tubes long enough to know what is real and what is fake, for the most part. If you are a newbie and look at the ads he runs you could think that he has the best tubes around. I think epay is perfectly happy to go along since when it really comes down to it, whether the article is genuine or not, it would be seller vs buyer and that would be my word against your word. And how would you get and submit evidence to prove that? Some of his statements regarding the thousands of military tubes and warehouses full of tubes that is available to him indicates he already has that base covered.
Edits: 12/06/16
go through his feedback and view the items that were sold. See if any evidence of misrepresentation. Maybe the buyers weren't aware? Unfortunately there are many tubes he has sold that I don't have a clue about so wouldn't even know which are suspect.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
My experience was two fold. Purchased some Sylvania 6188 tubes (4). A 6188 is a premium low noise 6SL7. The tubes (3 of 4) were noise as hell in my preamp. I complained and they did send four more free of charge to me. They didn't even want the first four back. The second quad was excellent.
It looks just like your 6188 except in a Sylvania box marked 5691. I remember this from way back and i mentioned to the seller that only "true" 5691 had extra support rods and 3 mica spacers. Of course i got the brush off but i noticed there was heavy bidding on those tubes.
I am pretty sure about that. I have seen their standard or maybe selected 6sl7wgt type that maybe passed the 6188 testing procedure but i am sure they did not make a 6188 from the ground up. Tung Sol made those way back in the 50s.
Howdy Ishmael. It does not seem like your seller, old-guy-radiola, will on his own refund your money but paypal or ebay likely could force a refund. Thus, wondering if you filed complaints with paypal or ebay? And if so what is the status?
How dare you besmirch his recognized achievement!
Nah Just joking.
Someone needs to step up to the plate or we are just a bunch of deluded
dupes. Kinda like the Democrats in the last election. It just proves the point doesn't it. The point being, if you through a bunch of BS at people , for a long enough time, almost all of it will stick. A time honored method of brainwashing or propaganda. Rather depressing, i must say.
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For that price (for fakes), he could at least straighten the pins.
What a azz.
"I can't compete with the dead" (Buck W. 2010)
"$45 gets them out the door tomorrow. $50 gets them out the door yesterday" (Byrd 2016)
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Not defending a possible fraudulent seller, but it is possible that Amperex had a reciprocal deal going with GE?
I do know that GE rebranded and sold tubes from other manufacturers.
Could Amperex have sold GE manufactured tubes?
Here is a Mullard made tube, relabeled GE.
My thoughts as well AA. By the late '60 and into the '70s marketing agreements involving relabeled parts had become fairly common. The manufacturers wanted to offer a "full catalog" of parts to their customers, but with the end of tubes in sight they didn't want to invest in the research or tooling to make every part themselves. It certainly is "possible" that GE was making tubes for Amperex, just like Mullard manufactured tubes that said "Scott" or Eico", etc. This is not to defend sellers who willfully mislabel and miss-describe their wares.
G
I could understand all that but....what about the gold pins?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
this guy seem to gold pins a lot of tubes . those pair is GE .
Yeah, gold pins on tubes that were never made with gold pins to start with.Could it be that he's buying them that way and just doesn't know...???
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 12/05/16
Hi Tre.
i think he know exactly what he is selling . his price reflex this .
LT
i saw that too, JG = JAN GE, not amperex. not sure how he did that
mt
Look at the tube on the right in the second picture.
What do you see?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I sold a pair of 6679 tubes today. Branded as Amperex (Globe logo), with Made in USA and GE etched dots.
"I can't compete with the dead" (Buck W. 2010)
"$45 gets them out the door tomorrow. $50 gets them out the door yesterday" (Byrd 2016)
Thing is, what's wrong with a JAN-JG GE black plate 5687WA?
Did Amperex even make this tube?
Was the JAN-JG GE black plate 5687WA ever made with gold pins?
BTW, Amperex never made a 5687.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I have several different lots of those fine GE's. None have gold pins. Not quite conclusive, I'll have to admit...:)
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
I know of no US made tubes, with JAN or other mil spec designation, and gold pins. European E8XCC, yes. US, no.
He should just sell them as GE made JAN-5687WA, labeled Amperex. Bet, good ones are very nice tubes. GE made some of the best, IMHO. As good as any Amperex.
Which reminds me. Must look for more GE 7581A and 6550A.
8^)
At least some of their GB products were made that way. Kind of a fad for them, because some of their GB did not have gold plated pins. The one to find is the GB 5751 with gold pins. I got a small stash of them. There were some other ones as well.
I was going to type that same thing but then I saw that FL said "...with JAN or other mil spec designation..".
Do you know of any US made, for the military, tubes with gold pins?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Made in the USA factories. I believe Sylvania also had a GB 5687 tube with gold pins. I also have some industrial type 12by7 with gp. that is all i can think of for now.
This has been why I have been so persistent. All he had to do was advertise the tubes as early black-plate RCA 12AU7 labeled 7316 (and price them accordingly). Otherwise, he is being deceptive.
Then he can make up whatever name to paint on the glass. He evidently has the blessing of Epay as they have let him do this for years now. What do they care? with the bay taking almost 10% of his sales for commission. Maybe it should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission since the fraud is being committed across state lines.
Dak: "Then he can make up whatever name to paint on the glass. He evidently has the blessing of Epay as they have let him do this for years now. What do they care? With the bay taking almost 10% of his sales for commission."Totally correct about eBay. When faced with obvious fraud and plagiarism eBay at their best case punishment but slaps the wrist of sellers.
It was not uncommon for other sellers to rip-off words in my ads when I was an active LP seller, such as listing titles, descriptions of LPs including my observations about them, etc. without even attempting to make subtle changes. But one seller was unique:
He stole entire ads from me, that is, he cut complete ads from my ebay listings and pasted them into the form used to create his own ebay ads. Thus in so doing he not only copied all content in my ad description including the section describing the condition of each LP being sold, he also stole the ad layout I used, ad title, my terms and conditions, my shipping fees, my high resolution photos of the LPs for sale, even the location of where I lived, etc.
After I caught on I examined his other LP ads. There was no consistency to the look of his ads as there are with other sellers. Each of his ads had a different format/presentation style, different terms and conditions, different shipping terms and ship from locations, even different grading scales (some NM is the best possible rating some used MINT, etc), different quality and look to the photos, and on and on.
I was able to determine who some of the sellers were that he stole his ads from. I documented this and presented it to ebay. What did ebay do? They but made him cease selling for a few days. After that period expired he went back to his old stealing ways. Ebay would not take any additional actions against him. Though they indicated how serious they are as should they receive a number of other complaints (not stated how many) they would take action, though they refused to state what said action would be. But I never noticed they did anything.
PUNCH LINE: This thief was stupid. The photos used for my LP sales were hosted on a webpage I had control of. I substituted new photos for the LPs of mine he used in his ads. Thus when someone examined his ads they saw my new photos. Within those photos there was a large sign that said something like, "I am a thief, I stole this ad from another seller. I will rip you off just like I stole that ad. Don't buy from me." Nutty seller left those photos within his ads as long as they ran!
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Glad to see that you were able to outsmart the corrupted seller & system.
Cory
I sympathize with you. It is hard to not get ripped off especially on a forum like eboy which seems to encourage copycats to increase sales.
"Maybe it should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission since the fraud is being committed across state lines."
That was my first thought.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
This of course, will involve lawyers. Can anybody step up to the plate? Maybe just the whiff of a law suit against eboy will shake them up and get OGR booted to the curb where he belongs.
I have not been taken by this seller so the complaint needs to be initiated by someone who has done business with him.
Edits: 12/05/16
...Dream on! A lawyer would probably examine OGR's epray feedback (100% last I looked) and ask the potential plaintiff "where's the beef". IOW, apparently OGR takes care of the occasional disgruntled customer in a mutually satisfactory manner. No doubt, this is why epray takes no action.
Although the typical reaction of the knowledgable tubophile to OGR's sales gimmick is outrage, western capitalist/free enterprise culture still strongly embraces "caveat emptor". This attitude exists in many other areas of the consumer products industry such as homeopathic (but unproven) ED cures and, depending on your point of view, majik audiophile crystals.
Don't know how long you've been around here but years ago there was another tube "entrepreneur" on epay known as the "The Tube Museum". He did the same kinda stuff that OGR is accused of now. And same tubophile outrage. Some well meaning but ignorant zealot decided to take matters into his own hands by actually purchasing known "fraudulent" tubes from TTM and leaving negative feedback warning prospective purchasers to stay away BEFORE receipt of tubes. Things did not go well for Mr. Zealot. TTM complained to epay, got the feedback removed and Mr. Zealot was banned from epay for a period for leaving unwarranted and malicious feedback.
I believe the lesson here is that one should take comfort in one's personal tube knowledge and as Guido the pimp admonished: "Don't f--k with a mans livelihood" unless you really, really know what you're doing.
~!
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
If Ebay is even tacitly participating in this fraud, by receiving its' commission, are they not involved in a criminal conspiracy?
I recall reading something about the number of complaints about internet commerce and maybe there is a "loophole" for businesses legitimate and nonlegit.
complicit
adjective: complicitinvolved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
and therefore,
liable
adjective: liableresponsible by law; legally answerable.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 12/05/16
And is actually a point of pride if you can pull it off. This is referred to in Kung Fu movies which is not representative of an entire nation, but , i have a feelling that it is not a morally objectionable, as long as you don't get caught.
Given how the Chinese conduct business. Do anything you can get away with.
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"Still Working the Problem"
He is a big tube scammer, he got me and another big tube dealer for large amounts of cash.
I have seen time and time again people doubting this fact but having handled a ton of the stock oldguyradiola sells which is mainly from a place called Darcell tubes (look it up on YouTube and you'll see ed giving a tour being full of shit and trying to sell the lathe my girlfriend spent hours cleaning for him) and having first hand experiences how full of shit he is and how much stress he caused me, and seeing the same patterns of deceit In his responses: he is a gaslighted and he will fuck you over in a heart beat to get ahead and act like he's done you a favor. He told me I would be in charge of logistics for he three no four no ten factories with billions of tubes and I just told him all I wanted to do was be around the stuff and have an opportunity to be able to fairly make some purchase. The latter half of my response has been lost and I don't feel like retyping it, but it sucks to see someone so undeserving have succeeded to the extent he seems to have sold but still manage to a recording studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxcpQ1pT6zI the voice belongs to his son, a "YouTuber" and actor if his dad has anything to do with it. The overlord tubes were sold by oldguyradiola
CAVEAT EMPTOR!
Yes the leopard has changed his spots. But still up to his same old tricks.
I guess he has read "the Capitalist's playbook". It is up to the "masses" to spread the word that this mofo is a cheater and should not be patronized. cheers, Dak
Edits: 05/20/18
If he has enough -fb eboy will have to take action against him when he accumulates too many -fb.
I've wondered several times how this guy could have possibly sold that many (lets just say questionable) tubes for this long, and not received any negative feedback. Then it occurred to me that his customers are not the more educated, tube- obsessed people like "us", and are likely blissfully ignorant to what they have. They are probably good tubes, just... let's leave it as questionable as to their origin, etc.
Cory
Look how many revised feedbacks this seller has and you can understand the scam better.
Epray is supposed to have laws/rules against counterfeit items. If you go to help & contact you will get to look at a list of "bad activities" by the seller. Counterfeit items is one of the bad ones. In this case the seller has taken an RCA 12au7 and has put a fake label "Amperex 7316" which by the way does not look like this tube. And made up a fairy tale about the abilities of this fake tube.
How can these activities not be considered "counterfeiting"?
His rant reminded me of when the press tried to nail him on his many falsehoods and he just "doubled down" and went on the attack. How can you blame OGR, he is just emulating our esteemed leader.
The only question I have is: why would ANYONE buy tubes from this scammer? Time after time he is reported here on the Asylum as a grifter and a fraud. His advertisements on epay are ridiculous along with his prices. He practically has a neon sign on his epay advts. that scream BUY FROM ME AND GET SWINDLED!
I would move on, enjoy the tubes.
Never noticed before but it says right in his listings "We buy your old tubes good or bad". Interesting.
Edits: 12/04/16
I didn't know until after I bought the tubes...live and learn.
Chances are the tubes sound good even if you paid too much for them.
The 7316 notwithstanding, they are RCA 12AU7s with long black plates and a square getter, as described in the ad. There are what appear to be date codes, but they are a bit confusing. One is HC, which I can't find, and the other looks like the bottom of two Ls, which would indicate mid-fifties. I haven't listened to them in my amp yet, so I don't know what I have.Someone at Old_Guy, named Sara, is attempting to ameliorate the situation, but it is clearly too late for that.
Edits: 12/03/16
I called and talked to Andy and he said he would look into it and apologized.
He said there was no reason for Ken to act that way.
BTW, My conversation with Andy was not about who did or didn't make the tubes. The conversation was about the rudeness of Ken.
That's just not a good way to do business.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I have collected 7316 Amperex tubes for quite a few years. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly! They are made in Holland and have the Right Triangle acid etch. Instead of going through all of the other markings, the early getter vs the later versions I suggest you study the subject, by reading the many old posts. I that does not appeal to yo you----
I will send you an email for a very, very brief course etc. typical pricing ( never easy) I am sure we can find you what you want -here or ebtrayed or we'll see. (NO I Am No A DEALER)
Steven
I still see the bogus faked 7316 tubes that old guy radiator is selling. Reported the fakes to eBay many times to no avail. I'm collecting tubes for more than 50 years and this seller is faker than realjazzcat if he is still around. 7316 tubes only have Herleen codes ct0-ct5. eBay doesn't help we should alert people here so they are not defrauded. Also it ruins the tube collecting world by sowing distrust and fraud. I am very upset when I see his fake tubes and they are getting more numerous by the day. He routinely "gold" plates pins and fakes labels for example. Not to mention passing off 5963 tubes as 7316. We should band together to alert eBay.
Bill
Yes OGR is a very angry man when questioned lol. He got me early on in my tube collecting venture on a set of black plate 3x mica 5751 GE tubes with gold pins. He's only guy on earth that has them with gold pins as GE never made them that way. It was then I knew he was into metal plating as a side hobby
Oldguyradiola
WiWi tubes
Menifee audio
Same seller? They look to me like fakes and gold plated junk.
Avoid at all costs. Check out their REVISED FEEDBACK.
Ever see such a high number of revised feedback? I have not.
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