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In Reply to: Here ya go... posted by Uncle Ned on February 24, 2000 at 14:07:31:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:-)
I should have known.:-)
Let me know when you get some Sigle plate RCA 2A3s in.:-)
Jack
Finally a competive thread that will help people save money and learn more about business honesty. This sight has so many 'personalites' it is very confusing. It's part advertising: Upscale Audio, BAT, Ultimate Audio, etc.. Part- I'm smarter than you are, snob crap. Part- battlefield for anal audiophiles. Very little truth sees light of day, especially from business owners who use this sight continualy whenever it will help their business. The worst part is the moderators let this stuff degrade the purpose of this sight.
Was aopparentl;y afew days ago. It shows.
things at this site ebb and flow as well-the parts constantly shift.
> > > . The worst part is the moderators let this stuff degrade the purpose of this sight. < < <
All of the above in your list are part of this. different people benefit from different aspects. Its way too easy for moderators to slash and burn. A light touch is the key.
Jack
I think advertising is way over the top here. Most tube/audio industry types have 'class' and stay away from this sight. Let us do their advertising for them if their product/service warrants it. We should call this sight "Victor's PR Forum". My God!! I can't believe it.
I think you are missing a key point. Exclusivity and favortism, or more precisely, the absence thereof.All manufacturers are given the same opportunity. Those that choose to post here are welcomed by many people, who gain info they may not get otherwise, and who (because they already have established systems, differences in tastes, or insufficients funds)are not likely to purchase the product in question, whether or not the manufacturer posts at this site.
It seems the moderators weed out blatant sales pitches from people interested only in collecting dollars rather than sharing experience.
I wish more industry people would post and share what they know. Some may view the ethics issue the same way you do. Others truly want to contribute what they have learned, but won't comment because they don't want to be branded as someone looking out only for their own interest, even though they know they would be forthright and honest in all they say. I know this because a number of people I respect choose to take that tact. I view the absence of additional experienced people as a potential loss; I do not view the contribution of 'resident manufacturers' as a threat or indignation.
It comes and goes. Victor has been getting alot of attention the last few days, but be aware its not all flattering. it will go away in a few days.
Jack
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Advertising is over the top here? Have you been to other sites, the ones with the Las Vegas neon signs everywhere?Come on CJ, if this were 'Victor's PR Forum', just why aren't the moderators deleting the dissenters?
Sorry, but I don't see any self promotion going on here though Uncle Ned did sneak in a little ad ;)
Why aren't the moderators deleting advetising? It's more subtle than the banners we see on other sights. Trust me, they are using this sight to promote and they know it.
Blantant ads are deleted. Maybe a few get missed. Sure, anyone would have to be awfully naive not to think that some companies get some decent PR from activity at this site and others. There's a big difference between PR and advertising.But as long as these folks are providing useful information, advice and stimulating discussion, why would you exclude them? Who would you rather ask about Parasound? John Curl or just another internet persona?
Do you want real expertise or just more idle chatter?
Point me in the direction of self serving posts or ads that haven't been pegged as such. I don't think you're going to find too many slipping thru the cracks.
the manufacturer should not be an option if you have questions about how something sounds. Many (in my experience) privately feel that there equipment is the best and everything else is second rate. Such folks can't provide unbiased opinions.
Agreed. I meant in terms of a technical thing like upgrading caps or something. As far as sound, if the manufacturer didn't think it was the best there is, it'd only be because he likes his more expensive model better, no?
Good PR gets you as many sales, in the long run, as advertising. A bunch of subtle ads equal one big one. I just did not realize it was so predominant here at this sight. These guys know exactly what they are doing. They do give expertise, but it is pedjudiced by there vested interest. Most people in the industry do not come here as a matter of integrity and ethics. When I say such and such a product was not that great, and a seller of that product responds to the contrary, is that expertise or conflict of interest. Ask them why they come here, after they've had a few. You made some good points. I just wish they would be more forthright, or go away and let us take care of their PR.
Agreed, in fact good PR can be far more effective than ads.One point, when you talk about sellers, do you mean dealers or manufacturers? There's a big difference. Manufacturers rarely ever do what you're suggesting unless it's a case of clarifying or correcting a strickly technical issue. Resellers are tough. Sure, some might try to do what you're suggesting, but those get found out fairly quickly. Quite frankly, I don't see the benefit to them unless they are expressing their honest opinion. My point being that a decent dealer has a cart load of product. If you don't like X, why agrue? It's a lot easier to sell you Y if that's what you want.
Anyway, it's a tough choice and there's no good solution. For the most part, I think industry folks behave well and offer as much as they gain. They are asked to indentify themselves as such so that us regular 'Joes' can take their input for what it's worth.
> Good PR gets you as many sales, in the long run, as advertising. A bunch of subtle ads equal one big one.I just did not realize it was so predominant here at this sight. These guys know exactly what they are
doing. They do give expertise, but it is pedjudiced by there vested interest.Good lord.Based on my shaving and beer drinking habits, I hardly
qualify as an obsessive-complusive or anal retentive, but
your spelling sucks.Unlike some audio publications, people who post here are required
to identify themselves if they are associated with a company selling
tubes or amplifiers. I am, and you can take that into consideration
when deciding the validity of what I post.> Most people in the industry do not come here as a matter of integrity and ethics.
AAMOF, a lot of them do lurk, and occasionally post.
When I say such and such a product was not that great, and a seller of that product responds to the contrary, is that expertise or conflict of interest.
I assume you have a job. Let's say you work for MCI, a bus
manufacturer, and we were on a BBS discussing
buses, and someone posted something referring to MCI buses
vs. Prevost or Eagle buses.
Would it be out of line for you to interject with a comment?
No, it wouldn't, and everyone on the bus BBS would be happy
to read what you have to say, tho they would *take into consideration*
who you work for.
First of all, it's 'SITE' - NOT 'SIGHT' - I guess the classy types really do stay away with this standard of spelling.
I'm sure I echo the feelings of many others that one of the most interesting aspects of this board IS the participation of people like Victor, Kevin, Uncle Ned, etc.. who have a vast depth of experience and expertise - we are all richer due to their participation. I have yet to see Victor do any advertising on this site, and actually, he is smart enough to know that this would be one of the worst places to advetise his products.
I hope this thread, which is really pointless and trivial, does not discourage people like Victor from sharing his thoughts.
Maybe most of you are so used to it that you do not see it for what it really is. They have a vested interest and they are blatantly using this sight(thanks for correcting my spelling) to promote, promote and promote their products and services. They have no business here, on second thought maybe their 'business' is here. I think the moderators should boot them. As I said before no business owner with integrity would be here promoting his/her products and or services.
...and even though I don't think I have commited any major offenses (and pardon me some minor, perhaps), it is right to be mindful of the sensitivities.
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